Tuesday, December 06, 2005

Maybe They Were Saying "Aunty Gay"

I'll admit, I had a visceral reaction when I heard congressman "Duke" Cunningham interviewed on the radio, weeping and feeling sorry for himself, now that he had been caught ripping off the taxpayers, taking bribes, escalating political corruption to a new high. You didn't see him weeping a whole bunch before he got caught, did you?

Well, actually, I was wrong about that part. He was known as a bit of a weeper. In an article that might deserve the award for Most Inaccurate Headline, the Washington Post said this week:
For those who have observed Duke Cunningham's behavior in Washington for 15 years, especially those who have felt his scorn, his remorseful exit from the House last week carried no surprises. Since his early days in Congress, Cunningham's behavior has been predictable: ad hominem attacks followed by tearful apologies.In one now-famous incident, Cunningham and Rep. James P. Moran Jr. (D-Va.) got in a shoving match over sending troops to Bosnia. Moran confronted Cunningham, triggering a partisan melee among other members -- and Cunningham fled.

Moran found him crying in the cloakroom. Cunningham Friends Baffled By His Blunder Into Bribery

The story is headlined "Cunningham Friends Baffled By His Blunder Into Bribery," but the whole thing is about how not-surprised his friends were.

The thing is, for such a tough guy, war veteran and everything, you wondered, why's he running off "crying in the cloakroom?" Sheesh, the "real" Duke would be ashamed.

Recently a reporter asked me why some people who are so paranoid about gay people. That wasn't how they put it, but essentially that's the question: what motivates those people? I don't even try to answer the question, but really, that's the big question, isn't it? We have heard the nastiest things said here in Montgomery County, referring to gay people as "deviants" and "sodomites," and saying the worst things about them. It is clearly an orchestrated attack, with national organizations throwing this stuff around like misanthropic zoo-chimps and the local mouthpieces repeating it; there's something behind it, something that drives them -- but what?

Why do they care?

I can name you quite a few people who spend all day, every day, saying nasty things about gay people. They do it for a living, and are paid well for it. But ... is that what you want to be when you grow up? Or do you just end up like that?

"Duke" Cunningham, the Republican congressman-slash-convict was one of those people.

Insider-blogger Wonkette reminds us of some things, under the title, "Duke-stir Cries, Clutches Pearls." She writes:
[The Los Angeles Times] runs down Duke Cunningham's lavish lifestyle. Lavish, alternative lifestyle. The Air Force veteran apparently underwent a kind of, uhm, change at some point: "Personally, his taste ran to country music and cowboy novels - which made the French antiques and Oriental rugs he took from contractors seem anomalous." Anomalous? We think the Washington Post was more on target: Duke had "surprisingly delicate taste." Gay taste. And, well, perhaps there's was an element of protesting-too-much when he derided the Dems for being the ones who let "homos into the military," let alone entertaining ladies on the Duke-stir boat all Ron Burgundy-style.

And then she reminds us of a curious incident a few years ago.

There was a story about Cunningham in the Washington Blade, the local gay newspaper, in 2003:
It began as a remarkable vignette about a virulently anti-gay congressman who reached out in private to gay activists with questions about how people know if they are gay. But last month, retold before an audience of nearly 200 at a Gay Pride town hall meeting, a remembered encounter from eight years ago has raised questions about whether the leader of this country’s largest gay rights organization has on several occasions effectively outed a member of Congress.

...

Birch did not identify the congressman but said the meeting took place a short time after the congressman created a controversy in 1995 when he referred to gays as “homos” on the floor of the House of Representatives.

Media reports and other background facts indicate that Congressman Randall “Duke” Cunningham (R-Calif.), an archconservative from San Diego, fits many of the details in Birch’s story. Birch denies speech outed anti-gay congressman

Now, come on, you must agree that this is at least ... strangely interesting.
The news media in San Diego reported at that time that in a speech on the floor of the House, Cunningham decried the presence of “homos” in the military. He appears to be the only member of the House to call gays “homos” on the House floor at that time, and most likely at any time since then, according to a review of news media reports and the Congressional Record.

And of course, this followed:
Harmony Allen, Cunningham’s press secretary, said Cunningham never met with Birch and never made any such comments about gays or his feelings toward men.

“He has never had a conversation with that woman,” Allen said. “The meeting did not take place.” Allen added, “He is a heterosexual.”

There is one more little piece that I need to mention. That is a study done by researchers at the University of Georgia a few years back. Here's how it's described at ReligiousTolerance.org:
A study that appears to reveal a major cause of homophobia was completed at the University of Georgia in 1996. It involved 64 white men, none of whom had engaged in homosexual acts during their lifetime. Their sexual fantasies involved only women. 35 of them were rated homophobic; 29 non-homophobic. For the purpose of this study, "homophobia" was defined as a negative emotional reaction (e.g., fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort) to homosexuality. It was measured by a questionnaire called the Index of Homophobia. Each was shown three types of X rated videotapes: heterosexual, lesbian and gay. A plethysmograph measuring device (affectionately called a "peter meter") measured the circumference of their penis as a gauge of sexual arousal.

The two groups exhibited similar arousal when they viewed 4 minute samples taken from one heterosexual and one lesbian movie. But they responded differently to the male homosexual clip:
Degree of Tumescence:  Insignificant Moderate  Definite 
Homophobic men 20% 26% 54%
Non-homophobic men 66% 10% 24%

The researchers concluded that these data are consistent with the belief that most homophobic men have repressed homosexual desires. An alternate, but much less likely, explanation is that the homophobic men's erections were caused by anxiety during the experiment.

Further research is needed to clarify the results and to answer questions such as whether these results would generalize to homophobic women.

Lots of people are uncomfortable about sex, and really a lot are uncomfortable around gay people. I figure that's because it's a relatively uncommon thing, and because our society has, until recently, been more or less quiet about it.

But some people are really freaked out by it. Can't get that disgusting stuff out of their minds.

I'm not saying what I think, just telling you what I saw on the Internet.

52 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a typical “homo” fantasy this study is inadequate for any kind of conclusion. You hear this from gay men all the time it is a regular talking point. And it falls under your brown shirt tactics as tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. You seem to not know it did not work for the brown shirts then and it is not going to work now. Not everyone had your twisted childhood and only a narcissist would be so inclined to think that everyone is just like him or her. We know full well of the violence and destruction in the homosexual community. It seems obvious to us that the majority of you seem to enjoy it, and defend it. Whether it is having anal sex with a toddler, killing your lover, or spreading aids. Why not take a look at homosexuals from heterosexual’s eyes for once in your miserable life. You might realize why we don’t want to have anything to do with you. Especially near are children. If you want to try to find a peer reviewed, and duplicated study that contradicts anything I have said don’t waste your time, there is none.

December 06, 2005 5:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a typical “homo” fantasy this study is inadequate for any kind of conclusion. You hear this from gay men all the time it is a regular talking point. And it falls under your brown shirt tactics as tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. You seem to not know it did not work for the brown shirts then and it is not going to work now. Not everyone had your twisted childhood and only a narcissist would be so inclined to think that everyone is just like him or her. We know full well of the violence and destruction in the homosexual community. It seems obvious to us that the majority of you seem to enjoy it, and defend it. Whether it is having anal sex with a toddler, killing your lover, or spreading aids. Why not take a look at homosexuals from heterosexual’s eyes for once in your miserable life. You might realize why we don’t want to have anything to do with you. Especially near are children. If you want to try to find a peer reviewed, and duplicated study that contradicts anything I have said don’t waste your time, there is none.

December 06, 2005 5:53 PM  
Blogger Dana Beyer, M.D. said...

I think a nerve has been touched. And the last time I looked "brownshirts" meant fascists. I thought we weren't supposed to bring Nazis into this.

For whatever it's worth, I don't believe in penile (or vaginal) plethysmography. It's about as reliable as a polygraph test. That means it's of some value, but not scientific and couldn't stand up in court.

However, there are more than enough stories in the press of the worst homophobes turning out to be gay, the mayor of Spokane being the latest and greatest.

And I've been able to view gays and straights through heterosexual eyes. I don't have a problem, why do you? I have two pretty wonderful children as well, who have gay and straight friends, and I have no problem with that, either. And they have no problem with me.

December 06, 2005 6:07 PM  
Blogger Dana Beyer, M.D. said...

I think a nerve has been touched. And the last time I looked "brownshirts" meant fascists. I thought we weren't supposed to bring Nazis into this.

For whatever it's worth, I don't believe in penile (or vaginal) plethysmography. It's about as reliable as a polygraph test. That means it's of some value, but not scientific and couldn't stand up in court.

However, there are more than enough stories in the press of the worst homophobes turning out to be gay, the mayor of Spokane being the latest and greatest.

And I've been able to view gays and straights through heterosexual eyes. I don't have a problem, why do you? I have two pretty wonderful children as well, who have gay and straight friends, and I have no problem with that, either. And they have no problem with me.

December 06, 2005 6:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the anonymous quote above is not from the usual "anonymous" around here; it's so offensive, I highly suspect it's fake message from a TTFer, placed for obvious reasons

December 06, 2005 6:12 PM  
Blogger JimK said...

Anon, two things. 1. No TTFer has ever done anything like that before, and it is paranoid and ridiculous to suggest it was one of us. 2. If you don't like being confused with other Anonymice, sign your name.

JimK

December 06, 2005 6:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymouse said, "If you want to try to find a peer reviewed, and duplicated study that contradicts anything I have said don’t waste your time, there is none."


---------------

No accounting for nutfilled grandstanding...even from the one of the anonymices. Wonder if those hatefilled words spewed forth made you feel better?

It sure did not help your cause one bit.

"anon free"

December 06, 2005 10:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's an interesting story about Duke Cunningham's "co-conspirator #1."

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051204/news_1n4adcs.html

December 07, 2005 7:26 AM  
Blogger JimK said...

Yes, interesting. Rumors on the internets suggest that Cunningham's confession was only the tip of the iceberg.

The thing that gets me is that these guys are stealing from the military at the same time they're saying "support the troops" and calling everybody else traitors and cowards.

JimK

December 07, 2005 7:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The thing is, for such a tough guy, war veteran and everything, you wondered, why's he running off "crying in the cloakroom?""

Maybe he didn't.

"Recently a reporter asked me why some people who are so paranoid about gay people."

Seems like reporters are forever asking you that. How many reporters have asked you that in the last year?

"It is clearly an orchestrated attack,"

Yes, clearly. It's a conspiracy of historic roots. It's all explained in the Venus de Milo code.

"there's something behind it, something that drives them -- but what?"

they probably want to save all the good gay guys for themselves- it's all darwinian, trying to knock off the competition

"I can name you quite a few people who spend all day, every day, saying nasty things about gay people. They do it for a living, and are paid well for it."

well, by all means, let's have some names; and are they being paid by my tax dollars, too?

""Duke" Cunningham, the Republican congressman-slash-convict was one of those people.

Insider-blogger Wonkette reminds us of some things, under the title, "Duke-stir Cries, Clutches Pearls." She writes:

[The Los Angeles Times] runs down Duke Cunningham's lavish lifestyle. Lavish, alternative lifestyle. The Air Force veteran apparently underwent a kind of, uhm, change at some point: "Personally, his taste ran to country music and cowboy novels - which made the French antiques and Oriental rugs he took from contractors seem anomalous." Anomalous? We think the Washington Post was more on target: Duke had "surprisingly delicate taste." Gay taste. And, well, perhaps there's was an element of protesting-too-much when he derided the Dems for being the ones who let "homos into the military," let alone entertaining ladies on the Duke-stir boat all Ron Burgundy-style.

And then she reminds us of a curious incident a few years ago.

There was a story about Cunningham in the Washington Blade, the local gay newspaper, in 2003:

It began as a remarkable vignette about a virulently anti-gay congressman who reached out in private to gay activists with questions about how people know if they are gay. But last month, retold before an audience of nearly 200 at a Gay Pride town hall meeting, a remembered encounter from eight years ago has raised questions about whether the leader of this country’s largest gay rights organization has on several occasions effectively outed a member of Congress.

...

Birch did not identify the congressman but said the meeting took place a short time after the congressman created a controversy in 1995 when he referred to gays as “homos” on the floor of the House of Representatives.

Media reports and other background facts indicate that Congressman Randall “Duke” Cunningham (R-Calif.), an archconservative from San Diego, fits many of the details in Birch’s story. Birch denies speech outed anti-gay congressman

Now, come on, you must agree that this is at least ... strangely interesting.

The news media in San Diego reported at that time that in a speech on the floor of the House, Cunningham decried the presence of “homos” in the military. He appears to be the only member of the House to call gays “homos” on the House floor at that time, and most likely at any time since then, according to a review of news media reports and the Congressional Record."

Don't ever complain if someone spreads unsubstantiated rumors about you, Jim. Weren't you saying this about the RNC chairman before. They're all gay. That's why they attack gays.

"There is one more little piece that I need to mention. That is a study done by researchers at the University of Georgia a few years back. Here's how it's described at ReligiousTolerance.org:

A study that appears to reveal a major cause of homophobia was completed at the University of Georgia in 1996. It involved 64 white men, none of whom had engaged in homosexual acts during their lifetime. Their sexual fantasies involved only women. 35 of them were rated homophobic; 29 non-homophobic. For the purpose of this study, "homophobia" was defined as a negative emotional reaction (e.g., fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort) to homosexuality. It was measured by a questionnaire called the Index of Homophobia. Each was shown three types of X rated videotapes: heterosexual, lesbian and gay. A plethysmograph measuring device (affectionately called a "peter meter") measured the circumference of their penis as a gauge of sexual arousal.

The two groups exhibited similar arousal when they viewed 4 minute samples taken from one heterosexual and one lesbian movie. But they responded differently to the male homosexual clip:

Degree of Tumescence: Insignificant Moderate Definite Homophobic men 20% 26% 54% Non-homophobic men 66% 10% 24%
The researchers concluded that these data are consistent with the belief that most homophobic men have repressed homosexual desires. An alternate, but much less likely, explanation is that the homophobic men's erections were caused by anxiety during the experiment.

Further research is needed to clarify the results and to answer questions such as whether these results would generalize to homophobic women."

You know this could be a good citizenship test. We'll strap a sensor on everybody's penis and show them movies and find out what really excites them.

"Lots of people are uncomfortable about sex, and really a lot are uncomfortable around gay people. I figure that's because it's a relatively uncommon thing, and because our society has, until recently, been more or less quiet about it.

But some people are really freaked out by it. Can't get that disgusting stuff out of their minds."

Actually, not really.

"I'm not saying what I think, just telling you what I saw on the Internet"

So why don't you put up a post about all the other stuff you don't think?

December 07, 2005 9:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...Weren't you saying this about the RNC chairman before. They're all gay. That's why they attack gays."

Are you the same Anonymous who said: "Anonymous said..."John Garza put it well at CRC's organizational meeting, 'there's a homosexual inside of us all.'?"

Anonami

December 07, 2005 9:26 AM  
Blogger JimK said...

Gay people think that Ken Mehlman, chair of the RNC, is gay. When asked, he won't say. A little insight into the situation HERE. Follow-up on Google if you're interested. I didn't make it up, I just find it a curious situation.

It only matters when you wonder how a guy works for an organization that opposes ... himself.

JimK

December 07, 2005 9:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yes, I am

December 07, 2005 9:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim

I've said this before and you didn't listen. I don't think all gays think this whole gay agenda thing is in their best interest. They like things just the way they are. Being a rebel from society is part of the attraction for some, the thrill of the clandestine life is part of the attraction for others. Not everything you call anti-gay is perceived that way by all gays. You've got to get past the fairy tales.

December 07, 2005 9:40 AM  
Blogger JimK said...

Anon, that didn't make any sense. What is the "gay agenda thing?" What insights do you have into their motives -- where exactly did you learn about this "clandestine" thrill? And finally, please show me a gay person who finds it flattering to hear that they are dirty, germy, promiscuous child-molesters and that corporate vendors won't sell products to them.

JimK

December 07, 2005 9:51 AM  
Blogger CorinneD said...

Anonymous said
"We know full well of the violence and destruction in the homosexual community. It seems obvious to us that the majority of you seem to enjoy it, and defend it. Whether it is having anal sex with a toddler, killing your lover, or spreading aids. Why not take a look at homosexuals from heterosexual’s eyes for once in your miserable life. You might realize why we don’t want to have anything to do with you. Especially near are children."

My, my anonymous where did all this hatred and anger come from? I think Dana is right, a nerve has been touched. You don't know anything about the "homosexual community." You only repeat the poison you've picked up from others who fear and loathe people who are not exactly like themselves. Sadly, you really are quite typical.

When you ask "Why not take a look at homosexuals from heterosexual's eyes?" Who are you asking? Most of the people who post on this blog are heterosexual, they just don't share your hatred of memers of the GLBT community. Is that why you don't want to have anything to with "you" whoever you is?

December 07, 2005 10:13 AM  
Blogger JimK said...

Thank you Corinne. I'll second that.

Anon, I don't think any of the people who have posted recently on the blog are gay. I can't remember everybody who has commented, but at least most of the TTF members who have written comments here are all straight. We're not a "gay advocacy" group, we're an "education advocacy" group -- we want our kids to get the best education. And the best education is one that treats people fairly and relies on good solid scientific information.

JimK

December 07, 2005 10:29 AM  
Blogger Dana Beyer, M.D. said...

My synagogue is planning to have a get-together with members of the Muslim community over Christmas. It sounds like a good idea to me, instead of the usual "Chinese food and a movie" hoiday routine.

In the hope of some sisterhood/brotherhood, I invite the Anonymous who has posted such misguided, bitter attacks against the ttf members to have coffee with me in a public venue. Maybe it will help reduce the hate, calm the nerves this holiday season.

December 07, 2005 11:13 AM  
Anonymous Tish said...

One of the most virulent and knee-jerk homophobes I have ever known was also the most sexually predatory man I have ever known. A married man, he was having an extra-marital affair in which he was psychologically abusive, and he was always "on the prowl." When he told me he didn't want to be around gay guys because he didn't want any guy to be thinking about having sex with him, I asked, "You don't size up every woman you see as a possible sex partner, do you?" He said, "Yes," as though it was a given that that is how the world is.

I guess that I have known other men who let their gonads do their thinking for them, but never one that was so open about it. I had a lot of contact with him because of work we did with a community group, but I was glad when the contact ended. I was very uncomfortable with him. His predation was not only a matter of his personal pleasure, it was also highly misogynistic; women were there for him to size up, pass judgement on, and then either dismiss or use and discard.

I have always wondered about the connection about his personal lack of sexual ethics, his misogyny, and his homophobia. Do others who are so hateful also think so little of women? Is the homophobia rooted in a sense of the world as either predator and prey, with a firm idea that a man should be predator only, and to be the one sought, to be prey, is to be belittled to the meager status of women?

December 07, 2005 12:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One question:

Other than shorten the term "homosexual" to "homo" did this Cunningham guy commit any other crimes against humanity?

December 07, 2005 3:04 PM  
Blogger JimK said...

did this Cunningham guy commit any other crimes against humanity?

Why, yes he did. That's why he'll be going to prison for a long time. You can get a little idea of how he was doing, living off bribes and corruption, stealing from the taxpayers and the military, in this article from Forbes: HERE.

JimK

December 07, 2005 3:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anything else? I thought from the contempt you were expressing, it must be something serious - like mailing a letter to someone in a PTA directory.

December 07, 2005 3:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you think when government employees spend he day goofing off, that it constitutes stealing from the taxpayer?

December 07, 2005 3:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous whined___"Do you think when government employees spend he day goofing off, that it constitutes stealing from the taxpayer?"

_________________________
Not any more than you being goofy on this blog.

"anon free"

December 07, 2005 4:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's missing from the White House Christmas card? Christmas.

This month, as in every December since he took office, President Bush sent out cards with a generic end-of-the-year message, wishing 1.4 million of his close friends and supporters a happy "holiday season."

Many people are thrilled to get a White House Christmas card, no matter what the greeting inside. But some Christians are reacting as if Bush stuck coal in their stockings.

This clearly demonstrates that the Bush administration has suffered a loss of will and that they have capitulated to the worst elements in our culture," said William A. Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights.

Bush "claims to be a born-again, evangelical Christian. But he sure doesn't act like one," said Joseph Farah, editor of the conservative Web site WorldNetDaily.com. "I threw out my White House card as soon as I got it."

Religious people are miffed because they have been pressuring stores to advertise Christmas sales rather than "holiday specials" and urging schools to let students out for Christmas vacation rather than for "winter break." They celebrated when House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) insisted that the sparkling spectacle on the Capitol lawn should be called the Capitol Christmas Tree, not a holiday spruce.

Then along comes a generic season's greeting from the White House, paid for by the Republican National Committee. The cover art is also secular, if not humanist: It shows the presidential pets -- two dogs and a cat -- frolicking on a snowy White House lawn.

"Certainly President and Mrs. Bush, because of their faith, celebrate Christmas," said Susan Whitson, Laura Bush's press secretary. "Their cards in recent years have included best wishes for a holiday season, rather than Christmas wishes, because they are sent to people of all faiths."

That is the same rationale offered by major retailers for generic holiday catalogues.

But the White House's explanation does not satisfy the groups -- which have grown in number in recent years -- that believe there is, in the words of the Heritage Foundation, a "war on Christmas" involving an "ever-stronger push toward a neutered 'holiday' season so that non-Christians won't be even the slightest bit offended."

One of the generals on the pro-Christmas side is Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association in Tupelo, Miss. "Sometimes it's hard to tell whether this is sinister -- it's the purging of Christ from Christmas -- or whether it's just political correctness run amok," he said. "I think in the case of the White House, it's just political correctness."

December 07, 2005 4:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon-free slobbered:

"Not any more than you being goofy on this blog."

I don't work for the government, genius. I'm talking about people who get paid from my tax money.

December 07, 2005 4:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous whined even more__"I don't work for the government, genius. I'm talking about people who get paid from my tax money."

_____________

Anonymous mind your own business for a change and not worry about things not bothering anyone else that relates to jobs of others.

Everyone knows you are talking about Jim...been there done that on this blog.

Read the archives.

"anon free"

December 07, 2005 5:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous wrote:
Religious people are miffed because they have been pressuring stores to advertise Christmas sales rather than "holiday specials" and urging schools to let students out for Christmas vacation rather than for "winter break."


______________

Meaning Liberty Counsel, Falwell, Dobson, Whitehead, etc., who are the ones miffed.

"anon free"

December 07, 2005 6:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What?!

You mean Jim's been doing that?!

I don't believe it. Jim's too smart. That would be like using government funds to support the gay agenda.

You're wrong again, Free.

December 07, 2005 6:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous opined___What?!



No anon..you are wrong and every day of your postings supports it.

Interesting how much you never are on the same page as everyone else and just continue in the same homophobic vain as if you think anyone listens but the face you see in the mirror every day.

"anon free"

December 07, 2005 6:51 PM  
Blogger JimK said...

Anon

One. Where I work is a personal matter and has nothing to do with the topics under discussion here. I have discussed the situation with my supervisor and had a long talk with the legal staff where I work, and am assured that what I'm doing is fine. I am allowed a certain amount of time during the day for personal activities, have the same first amendment rights as anybody else, and actually I don't really spend that much time on this stuff.

Two. Because it's a personal matter, if you insist on mentioning my workplace I will simply delete your comments as soon as I see them. If you've got something to say about the topics under discussion, please feel welcome to join in. But if this is all you have left, we won't miss you. (And you're not the first Smart Guy to think of this clever strategy.)

JimK

December 07, 2005 7:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim

Your friend David made this relevant a few days ago. Here's a quote:

"federal civil service employees may endorse a candidate but may not do it on government time or using government resources."

I believe that's the law. I personally don't mind looking the other way but you were decrying people stealing from the taxpayers ( I agree with you- its not relevant to the mission of this site but you thought it was when it was someone who didn't support the gay agenda). In response to my inquiry about what horrible crimes Cunningham had committed to deserve such contempt from you, you said:

"he'll be going to prison for a long time (for) ... stealing from the taxpayers"

When this came up in the past, it wasn't specified that you were working for the taxpayer.

Finally, if you'll look back, you'll see I didn't identify you to the whole cyber-world- your friend, free did. I only spoke of govt workers in general. Worst thing I could be accused of is an inside joke.

December 08, 2005 10:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said," I believe that's the law. I personally don't mind looking the other way but you were decrying people stealing from the taxpayers..."

and

anonymous said, "Worst thing I could be accused of is an inside joke."


Anon you are just making everyone laugh at this point. You are the inside joke.

"anon free"

December 08, 2005 1:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anon you are just making everyone laugh at this point. You are the inside joke."

Hmmm...I didn't notice the mirthful side of Jim's comment above. I guess he hides his emotions well.

December 08, 2005 1:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am sorry for double posting it was not supposes to signify anger. I was unaware that a double post means that you are upset. I also have know idea what Dr. Deyer is trying to convey in the statement that the Dr. has seen the gay community thought straight eyes. I am not really sure what Dana means by that. Could the Dr. please elaborate on that? As for the children did the Dr. give birth to them? or is Dana just the legal gardian? I think that is important to know. The brown shirts were homosexuals this is a historical fact. Telling a lie over and over again so people think it is the truth was one of their tactics, this is a fact. I was unaware that you banned any references to Nazis from your website, but I can understand why. As for the term “homophobe” as far as I can see that has been used to describe anyone who is not gay. So how can a homosexual be a homophobe, this is ware your logic completely falls apart. You all deny your homosexuals so does that mean you are homophobes? As for the comments that you chose not to respond to. T Whether it is having anal sex with a toddler, killing your lover, or spreading aids…. only a narcissist would be so inclined to think that everyone is just like him or her…. find a peer reviewed, and duplicated study that contradicts anything I have said. your not so quick to dispell these "Myths" as you call them. what is the hold up? Don't you want to teach the facts?

December 08, 2005 4:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
Jim

Your friend David made this relevant a few days ago. Here's a quote:

'federal civil service employees may endorse a candidate but may not do it on government time or using government resources.'

...In response to my inquiry about what horrible crimes Cunningham had committed to deserve such contempt from you, you said:

'he'll be going to prison for a long time[. You can get a little idea of how he was doing, living off bribes and corruption,] stealing from the taxpayers' [and the military, in this article from Forbes: HERE.]"

So which candidate do you *think* Jim has supported on this blog and what do you *think* he has stolen from taxpayers or the military and what bribes and corruption do you *think* he's guilty of?

You smear with a broad brush and no evidence. Shame on you.

Aunt Bea

December 08, 2005 5:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did anyone hear about a local theater that's going to use plethysmographs at tomorrow's premiere of Brokeback Mountain to gauge audience reaction?

December 08, 2005 5:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"Did anyone hear about a local theater that's going to use plethysmographs at tomorrow's premiere of Brokeback Mountain to gauge audience reaction?"


_____________

Anon will you be participating? Let us know your results.

"anon free"

December 08, 2005 5:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous spewed:

"Don't you want to teach the facts"

___________________

Yes and we do but nuts do have a hard time understanding logic....as you should know. We all know by now you are never on the same page as the rest of the bloggers here. But then again gutter never translates.

"anon free"

December 08, 2005 5:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You smear with a broad brush and no evidence. Shame on you."

You know, I didn't discuss Jim. I was talking about govt employees in general. For all I know he doesn't work for the govt. Free's the one who said he did.

I'm no lawyer but here's a list of things federal employees can't do under the Hatch Act, and it goes beyond endorsing a candidate:

federal and D.C. employees may not-

-engage in political activity while:
-on duty
-in a government office
-wearing an official uniform
-using a government vehicle
-wear partisan political buttons on duty

Again, I don't know if Jim is a govt employee and, even if he is, whether this law applies to him. I was saying that most govt employees steal from the taxpayer to some extent and I didn't think Cuningham's crimes were as horrible as Jim was making them out. As usual, there's a group just waiting for any opportunity to personally attack anyone who doesn't go along with the gay agenda.

December 08, 2005 5:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just for the record, the idiotic post at 4:47pm was not from EH;

i've got to remember to sign

December 08, 2005 5:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous lied, "Free's the one who said he did."

Never said it....Read exactly what I said CAREFULLY.

Anonymous mind your own business for a change and not worry about things not bothering anyone else that relates to jobs of others.

Everyone knows you are talking about Jim...been there done that on this blog.

Read the archives.

"anon free"

December 08, 2005 5:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Free's the one.

December 08, 2005 6:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous lied...
Free's the one.


Reading verbatim is a skill anon.

"anon free"

December 08, 2005 8:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Free's the one. Talks before thinking.

December 08, 2005 9:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one could accuse you anon of thinking.

"anon free"

December 08, 2005 9:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Free's the one. Talks before thinking. Doesn't consider consequences.

December 08, 2005 10:07 PM  
Blogger Dana Beyer, M.D. said...

Again, the broad brush. Do you really believe that most government employees steal? Do you believe that most non-governmental employees treat their private employers ethically? On what do you base those comments?

December 08, 2005 10:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said, "Doesn't consider consequences."

_________
What would those be? Threatening someone...????

"anon free"

December 08, 2005 10:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"What would those be? Threatening someone...????"

Like, who?

December 08, 2005 10:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Again, the broad brush. Do you really believe that most government employees steal? Do you believe that most non-governmental employees treat their private employers ethically? On what do you base those comments?"

I only mention govt workers because they are the ones who steal from the government, which Jim has labeled a crime against humanity.

December 08, 2005 11:01 PM  
Blogger Dana Beyer, M.D. said...

Anon,

To cool down the rhetoric a bit here, I really don't think Jim meant that the Dukester is guilty of "crimes against humanity." Bush, Wolfowitz, Rice and Rumsfeld -- maybe, but not Duke Cunningham. He's simply a self-hating gay man who violated his oath of office and stole from the people. And when it comes to trial, his sexual orientation will be irrelevant, as it should be.

And I don't think his crimes are in any way comparable to the stealing of paper clips by federal employees. Or whatever you're accusing Jim of doing.

December 09, 2005 12:26 AM  

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