Sex: Wit and Wisdom
Seems like a lot of people are on a lot of high-horses these days, judging everybody else and making sweeping moral generalizations ... about other people. If you're paying attention, you will have noticed that there is one theme that runs through it, all of it: sex. Sex has got to be the most inconvenient thing in our lives, and has been the cause of wars, famines, and heartbreak since the dawn of time. Life would be so much more ... efficient ... if the whole mess would just go away.
But, happily, it won't.
The following is trimmed down somewhat from a list going around the Internet. Somebody has compiled all these quotes about sex. I expect there will be something in here to offend just about everyone, and I'll just betcha that some people will find the very existence of these sayings offensive. On the other hand, I am pretty sure you'll laugh out loud at least once while you read these.
So we'll lighten it up for a moment. Enjoy.
But, happily, it won't.
The following is trimmed down somewhat from a list going around the Internet. Somebody has compiled all these quotes about sex. I expect there will be something in here to offend just about everyone, and I'll just betcha that some people will find the very existence of these sayings offensive. On the other hand, I am pretty sure you'll laugh out loud at least once while you read these.
So we'll lighten it up for a moment. Enjoy.
Condoms aren't completely safe. A friend of mine was wearing one and got hit by a bus. ~Bob Rubin
The tragedy of sexual intercourse is the perpetual virginity of the soul. ~William B. Yeats
Sex on television can't hurt you unless you fall off. ~Author Unknown
Flies spread disease - keep yours zipped. ~Author Unknown
For the first time in history, sex is more dangerous than the cigarette afterward. ~Jay Leno
It is bad enough that people are dying of AIDS, but no one should die of ignorance. ~Elizabeth Taylor
A dirty book is rarely dusty. ~Author Unknown
Sex. In America an obsession. In other parts of the world a fact. ~Marlene Dietrich
When a man talks dirty to a woman, it's sexual harassment. When a woman talks dirty to a man, it's $3.95 a minute. ~Author Unknown
Life in Lubbock, Texas, taught me two things: One is that God loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love. ~Butch Hancock
To hear many religious people talk, one would think God created the torso, head, legs and arms, but the devil slapped on the genitals. ~Don Schrader
Contraceptives should be used on every conceivable occasion. ~Spike Milligan
There are three possible parts to a date, of which at least two must be offered: entertainment, food, and affection. It is customary to begin a series of dates with a great deal of entertainment, a moderate amount of food, and the merest suggestion of affection. As the amount of affection increases, the entertainment can be reduced proportionately. When the affection is the entertainment, we no longer call it dating. Under no circumstances can the food be omitted. ~Miss Manners' Guide to Excruciatingly Correct Behaviour
No matter how much cats fight, there always seem to be plenty of kittens. ~Abraham Lincoln
Familiarity breeds contempt - and children. ~Mark Twain, Notebooks, 1935
We all worry about the population explosion, but we don't worry about it at the right time. ~Arthur Hoppe
Sex is God's joke on human beings. ~Bette Davis
Love is the answer, but while you are waiting for the answer, sex raises some pretty good questions. ~Woody Allen
Against diseases here the strongest fence Is the defensive vertue, Abstinence. ~Robert Herrick, "Abstinence"
Life without sex might be safer but it would be unbearably dull. It is the sex instinct which makes women seem beautiful, which they are once in a blue moon, and men seem wise and brave, which they never are at all. Throttle it, denaturalize it, take it away, and human existence would be reduced to the prosaic, laborious, boresome, imbecile level of life in an anthill. ~Henry Louis Mencken
AIDS obliges people to think of sex as having, possibly, the direst consequences: suicide. Or murder. ~Susan Sontag
There is nothing wrong with going to bed with someone of your own sex. People should be very free with sex, they should draw the line at goats. ~Elton John
It is now quite lawful for a Catholic woman to avoid pregnancy by a resort to mathematics, though she is still forbidden to resort to physics or chemistry. ~H.L. Mencken, Notebooks, 1956
Sex relieves tension - love causes it. ~Woody Allen
Whoever called it necking was a poor judge of anatomy. ~Groucho Marx
Sex is emotion in motion. ~Mae West
Love's mysteries in souls do grow, But yet the body is his book. ~John Donne, Extasy
Literature is mostly about having sex and not much about having children; life is the other way around. ~David Lodge, The British Museum Is Falling Down, 1965
An intellectual is a person who's found one thing that's more interesting than sex. ~Aldous Huxley
The art of procreation and the members employed therein are so repulsive, that if it were not for the beauty of the faces and the adornments of the actors and the pent-up impulse, nature would lose the human species. ~Leonardo da Vinci
I know nothing about sex, because I was always married. ~Zsa Zsa Gabor
Desire is in men a hunger, in women only an appetite. ~Mignon McLaughlin, The Neurotic's Notebook, 1960
The hypothalamus is one of the most important parts of the brain, involved in many kinds of motivation, among other functions. The hypothalamus controls the "Four F's": fighting, fleeing, feeding, and mating. ~Unknown psychology professor in neuropsychology course
Sex at age ninety is like trying to shoot pool with a rope. ~George Burns
It is not sex that gives the pleasure, but the lover. ~Marge Piercy
Sudden acquaintance brings repentance. ~Thomas Fuller
Love is a matter of chemistry, but sex is a matter of physics. ~Author Unknown
Conservatives say teaching sex education in the public schools will promote promiscuity. With our education system? If we promote promiscuity the same way we promote math or science, they've got nothing to worry about. ~Beverly Mickins
A widespread taste for pornography means that nature is alerting us to some threat of extinction. ~J.G. Ballard, "News from the Sun," Myths of the Near Future, 1982
Sex: the thing that takes up the least amount of time and causes the most amount of trouble. ~John Barrymore
It is not economical to go to bed early to save the candles if the result is twins. ~Chinese Proverb
Chastity: The most unnatural of the sexual perversions. ~Aldous Huxley, Eyeless in Gaza, 1936
He no play-da-game. He no make-a-da rules! ~Earl Butz, referring to the Pope's stricture against contraception
Out upon it, I have lov'd Three whole days together; And am like to love three more, If it prove fair weather. ~John Suckling
Being with a woman all night never hurt no professional baseball player. It's staying up all night looking for a woman that does him in. ~Casey Stengel
Sex: the pleasure is momentary, the position ridiculous, and the expense damnable. ~Lord Chesterfield
Virginity can be lost by a thought. ~St. Jerome
Men reach their sexual peak at eighteen. Women reach theirs at thirty-five. Do you get the feeling that God is playing a practical joke? ~Rita Rudner
Pornography is supposed to arouse sexual desires. If pornography is a crime, when will they arrest makers of perfume? ~Richard Fleischer
Instruction in sex is as important as instruction in food; yet not only are our adolescents not taught the physiology of sex, but never warned that the strongest sexual attraction may exist between persons so incompatible in tastes and capacities that they could not endure living together for a week much less a lifetime. ~George Bernard Shaw, Everybody's Political What's What, 1944
Were kisses all the joys in bed, One woman would another wed. ~William Shakespeare, Sonnets to Sundry Notes of Music, IV
Sex is the great amateur art. The professional, male or female, is frowned on: he or she misses the point, and spoils the show. ~David Cort
The best contraceptive is a glass of cold water: not before or after, but instead. ~Author Unknown
Isn't it interesting how the sounds are the same for an awful nightmare and great sex? ~From the television show The Golden Girls
I want to tell you a terrific story about oral contraception. I asked this girl to sleep with me and she said "No." ~Woody Allen
Vanity, revenge, loneliness, boredom, all apply: lust is one of the least of the reasons for promiscuity. ~Mignon McLaughlin, The Second Neurotic's Notebook, 1966
Don't worry, it only seems kinky the first time. ~Author Unknown
The reproduction of mankind is a great marvel and mystery. Had God consulted me in the matter, I should have advised him to continue the generation of the species by fashioning them out of clay. ~Martin Luther
When a man goes on a date he wonders if he is going to get lucky. A woman already knows. ~Frederike Ryder
My father told me all about the birds and the bees, the liar - I went steady with a woodpecker till I was twenty-one. ~Bob Hope
Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery? ~Murray Banks
Those who have prophesied dreadful consequences as a result of the greater sexual freedom which the young assert - unwanted babies, venereal disease and so on - are usually the very same people who seek the fulfillment of their prophecies by opposing the free availability to the young of contraception and the removal of the stigma and mystification that surround venereal disease. ~Colin Ward, Anarchy in Action
When the history of civilization is written, it will be a biological history and Margaret Sanger will be its heroine. ~H.G. Wells, 1935
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken. ~Author Unknown
I think men talk to women so they can sleep with them and women sleep with men so they can talk to them. ~Jay McInerney
I'd like to meet the man who invented sex and see what he's working on now. ~Author Unknown
A student undergoing a word-association test was asked why a snowstorm put him in mind of sex. He replied frankly: "Because everything does." ~Honor Tracy
The difference between pornography and erotica is lighting. ~Gloria Leonard
Its avowed purpose is to excite sexual desire, which, I should have thought, is unnecessary in the case of the young, inconvenient in the case of the middle aged, and unseemly in the old. Malcolm Muggeridge, on pornography, Tread Softly For You Tread On My Jokes, 1966
When authorities warn you of the sinfulness of sex, there is an important lesson to be learned. Do not have sex with the authorities. ~Matt Groening
There are a number of mechanical devices which increase sexual arousal, particularly in women. Chief among these is the Mercedes-Benz 380SL convertible. ~P.J. O'Rourke
I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate commerce. ~J. Edgar Hoover, attributed
Pornography is the attempt to insult sex, to do dirt on it. ~D.H. Lawrence
I'm not cheap, but I am on special this week. ~Author Unknown
Love is not the dying moan of a distant violin - it's the triumphant twang of a bedspring. ~S.J. Perelman
It doesn't matter what you do in the bedroom as long as you don't do it in the street and frighten the horses. ~Mrs. Patrick Campbell
Never let the little head do the thinking for the big head. ~Author unknown, advice to teenage boys, quoted in Friendly Advice compiled by Jon Winokur
Our love could change the orbit of the earth. So, if a meteor ever comes hurtling towards earth with the guarantee of destruction, top scientists may call on us to, well, you know, do it like crazy for the sake of humankind. ~Author Unknown
Nothing risqué, nothing gained. ~Alexander Woollcott
To succeed with the opposite sex, tell her you're impotent. She can't wait to disprove it. ~Cary Grant
My message to businessmen of this country when they go abroad on business is that there is one thing above all they can take with them to stop them catching AIDS, and that is the wife. ~Edwina Currie, quoted in The Observer, 15 February 1987
[T]he common thread that binds nearly all animal species seems to be that males are willing to abandon all sense and decorum, even to risk their lives, in the frantic quest for sex. ~Randy Thornhill and Craig T. Palmer
posted by JimK at 12:42 PM
40 Comments:
"Seems like a lot of people are on a lot of high-horses these days, judging everybody else and making sweeping moral generalizations ... about other people."
A touching confession from Jim. Buddy, knowing it is half the problem solved and we're here for you.
Lightning
Wow, good one, Lightning. You really showed me!
JimK
You have to admit it, Jim. The remark applies more to you than anyone I can think of.
Would apply more to Dobson and company.
Guys, this is "cool anonymous". I've been out of town since Saturday, attending a conference in Vegas. I briefly skimmed through the activity since I left and I see you've constructed a "idiot anonymous" to say absurd things so you can look intelligent refuting them. Dubious tactic.
A few observations from Vegas. Say what you will about it but, if nothing else, the atmosphere could probably turn any gay guy into a hetero. That's why I was surprised to see, turning the corner at Caesar's, an enormous, anatomically correct statue of David with a group of gays taking turns genuflecting before it and taking pictures of each other. The incident speaks for itself.
I also thought about you guys and Jim's obsession with Nazis. I was staying at Caesar's with the Roman theme. In modern society, we have all these wicked and evil regimes of the past that we've turned into entertaining and colorful characters. It makes you wonder if someday we'll have hotels with Third Reich themes. Romans and Egyptians were as bad as Nazis, and just a anti-semitic, and yet we are delighted by their culture. A horrifying obervation from a visit to a place that has rejected God's influence.
Also, on the plane out on Saturday, I read the story about the attempt to classify homophobia as a mental disorder. I saved the article to take a quote from and was surprised to see this morning that Jim had brought the article up. Anyway, one of the experts had an opinion that reinforces what I've always thought and an observation Cilly had posted from a Dr. Lief in the late 70s. "Psychiatrists who advocate a new diagnosis, such as Gary Belkin, deputy chief of psychiatry at New York's Bellevue Hospital, said social norms play a central role in how all psychiatric disorders are defined." Everyone, except TTF, realizes that the APA's DSM is based on social standards not science. Your endeavor here is not based on science but on an attempt to change the moral standards of the community.
"Would apply more to Dobson and company."
Kay displays her infinite provincialism.
anonymous said---Your endeavor here is not based on science but on an attempt to change the moral standards of the community.
Yes into some accepting gays and lesbians for who they are and accepting they should enjoy all the rights that we do.
Not too much to ask at all.
As far as whether that statement applies to me, you can think what you want.
I will only say that for the first fifty four years of my life I was perfectly comfortable to sit back and let people think whatever stupid thing they wanted. It was only when they came into my neighborhood, and tried to tell me what stupid stuff my kids should be taught, that I decided to make any public comment at all.
JimK
"anonymous said---Your endeavor here is not based on science but on an attempt to change the moral standards of the community.
Yes into some accepting gays and lesbians for who they are and accepting they should enjoy all the rights that we do.
Not too much to ask at all."
Kay, I think you have the perfect right to advocate for that. My problem is the attempt by TTF to inappropriately appropriate the gravitas of science to support their cause. If it's a moral cause, argue it from that standpoint.
"It was only when they came into my neighborhood, and tried to tell me what stupid stuff my kids should be taught"
Jim, come on. Nobody has suggested teaching anything to your kid. The problem revolves around what you want taught not what we want taught.
anonymous said....The problem revolves around what you want taught not what we want taught.
Opt out works nicely for this if it is conflicting for you and your children.
Exactly what is it you think we want taught? Would you be more happy if no sex ed was taught at all?
anonymous said...My problem is the attempt by TTF to inappropriately appropriate the gravitas of science to support their cause. If it's a moral cause, argue it from that standpoint.
Such as CRC and PFOX wanting the ex-gay factor taught?
Re "moral standards of the community" let me tell you how that works. There is "the community," that is, you and people who feel like you, and there is a society which contains all the citizens, including your community. Some of those citizens feel differently from you, and have different "moral standards" from you -- some enjoy tasting the sweetness of life in ways that you would forbid on "moral" grounds (I put it in quotes because it is really authoritarianism, not anything to do with distinguishing between right and wrong).
Some of the members of the society who are not part of your community are persecuted by "the community." And here I am referring to gay and lesbian members, though a few years back it might have been blacks, or women, or Jews, or the Irish, or Chinese people. They are denied rights that you have, and they are subject to a steady stream of abuse, both direct and indirect, from your community.
Now, science is looking into the subject of homosexuality, using physiological and psychological measures. And what it is finding is that people report, very consistently, that they have developed attraction to their same sex without willing it. It just happened. Physiological measures of arousal confirm thir reports that they find their own gender stimulating. Genetic and neurological samples, including twin studies, have not solidly confirmed any mechanistic explanation, so there is not at this time a causal explanation in science for why some people are gay.
We don't promote any explanation for it, we're not saying the schools should teach that it's genetic or anything, because we don't know. We do know though that it's not something you choose -- of course, a person can choose to engage in gay sex, but they cannot choose to be exclusively attracted to the same sex, their orientation.
You don't need to identify a gene or neural signature to say that it's not a choice. Other traits are not a choice, say, IQ, but you can't show my an IQ gene, or an IQ place in the brain, either. Most human traits have no clear physiological explanation.
Given that it's not a choice, and that it doesn't really matter if you have gay sex or not, you know what you are, it's better to say this is how some people are, rather than this is something some people do. Given that some people just are this way, it is morally repugnant to persecute them. The morally superior thing to do is to offer respect and empathy, and accept them into our community as peers.
I don't think you'll find any errors in my reasoning, or any statements that go beyond the bounds of what is known. You may argue that it really is a choice, but even your gay-hating Family Blah Blah groups are careful about that one, because it so obviously isn't.
There is simply no reason to treat people badly because of who they are.
JimK
I am glad to see you finally got a dictionary this will cut through your confusion.
Epistemology
the study of the nature, origin, and limits of human knowledge. The term is derived from the Greek episteme (“knowledge”) and logos (“reason”), and accordingly the field is sometimes referred to as the theory of knowledge. Epistemology has a long history, beginning with the ancient Greeks and continuing to the present.
JimK said...
Theresa, this might seem strange to you, but I don't see an age-limit for a term like "anal sex." Tell you the truth, I think little kids think all sex is anal, like, the man puts his pee-pee in the lady's butt. As the kid gets older, they pick up stuff on the playground, in health class, and from their parents, and eventually get a picture close to what actually happens. By 10 or 12 they should know that there's another place on the woman's body where babies come out and where sperm goes in.
But don't they realize that there is a range of sexual behaviors? Like kissing, they understand that kissing has something to do with sex. Touching a girl's breasts is a major taboo, even those these wonderful things have suddenly appeared and are causing a stir in the boy community -- you can't touch them, and it's even rude to talk about them. And it has something to do with sex. And wet dreams and all that goes with it, embarrassing erections -- they're going to wonder about all this.
So all these things are happening in their world. Sex is everywhere, not just commercial sexualization but personal emotions and observations. And it will be like that for the rest of their lives. They will hear about oral sex, anal sex, gay sex, masturbation, sex toys and one-night stands, and they will need to learn about the varieties of ways that people exploit innocence sexually. So a 10-year-old, or an 8-year-old, hears the phrase "anal sex." What happens? Either they forget it, or maybe they try to find out more about it. And then what? They might learn that some people do that -- you don't think that really sounds appealing to a kid, do you? It's just a piece of knowledge they can store away as they try to understand this huge thing.
If it is in “the Advocate” than you have to belive it cause your gay.
"THE ADVOCATE, by Dr. Miller of the Holocaust Museum,
setting the record straight on homosexual suffering under Hitler:
`On April 26, just one day after the march on Washington, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum will open its doors... It's a breakthrough that a holocaust museum will try to document the fate of those homosexuals who died in concentration camps -- a group that for nearly 50 years has been excluded from our memories...
`Who do we remember? Up to 1 million dead gays and lesbians as claimed by some gay groups and researchers? Gay historians estimate that between 10,000 and 15,000 gay men were forced into concentration camps and lesbians were persecuted to a far lesser degree.
`Although big numbers create big emotions, here they only document a disturbing attitude in our community. Is there something within us we need to satisfy by inventing an even harsher history than history itself has been for us? The pink triangles of the concentration camps became an international symbol of gay and lesbian pride because so few of us are haunted by concrete memories of those who were forced to wear them...
`We know of no more than 50 gay and lesbian victims... From a gay European perspective, I find it startling that anyone would be immersed in comparing the two [the Holocaust and the American "gay rights" movement]. By so doing, it diminishes the power of each event... [Miller says the German experience was important.] But we, as a community, must stop misusing the Holocaust as merely a dramatic metaphor and start striving for a memory that is carefully based on the historical reality of the victims. (May 4, 1993)'
Identical twins have identical genes. If homosexuality was a biological condition produced inescapably by the genes (e.g. eye color), then if one identical twin was homosexual, in 100% of the cases his brother would be too. But we know that only about 38% of the time is the identical twin brother homosexual. Genes are responsible for an indirect influence, but on average, they do not force people into homosexuality. This conclusion has been well known in the scientific community for a few decades (e.g. 6) but has not reached the general public. Indeed, the public increasingly believes the opposite.
Identical twins had essentially the same upbringing. Suppose homosexuality resulted from some interaction with parents that infallibly made children homosexual. Then if one twin was homosexual, the other would also always be homosexual. But as we saw above, if one is homosexual, the other is usually not. Family factors may be an influence, but on average do not compel people to be homosexual.
Twin studies suggest that as a class, events unique to each twin--neither genetic nor family influences--are more frequent than genetic influences or family influences. But many individual family factors (such as the distant father) are commoner than the individual unique factors. Unique events would include seduction, sexual abuse, chance sexual encounters, or particular reactions to sensitive events, when young. Everyone has their own unique path which only partly follows that of the theoreticians!
A fascinating sidelight on all this comes from the work of Bailey (7). His team asked non-concordant identical twins (one was homosexual, one not) about their early family environment, and found that the same family environment was experienced or perceived by the twins in quite different ways. These differences led later to homosexuality in one twin, but not in the other.
Strength of Influences
At this point, some of you will be asking--what about the concordant identical twins who were both homosexual? Could their genes have "made them do it"?
No. It can be a strong influence for a few, but even for those few, it is never overwhelming. The record strengths for genetic influence on behaviors are 79% in a group of highly addicted women cocaine addicts (8) and about the same or somewhat higher, for ADHD (9). Because those figures are not 100%, even among addicts or those strongly pushed towards some other behavior, there is room for outside intervention and change. Hence even if homosexuality is as addictive as cocaine for a few individuals, their genes didn't "make them do it."
For perspective, it is valuable to compare genetic contributions to homosexuality with the question - is a girl genetically compelled to become pregnant at 15? Her genes might give her physical characteristics that make her attractive to boys - but whether she gets pregnant will depend greatly on whether her community is Amish or urban, conservative or liberal, whether they use contraceptives, and whether the parents are away for the evening.
So the influence of the genes is very indirect. We can see this by thinking further - if she was in solitary confinement all her life, would her genes make her become pregnant? Of course not! Some influence from the environment (in this case a boy) is essential! The effects of genes on behaviors are very indirect because genes make proteins, not preferences.
So the results of identical-twin studies are critical in understanding the biological influences on homosexuality. Only for physical traits like skin color are identical twins 100% concordant; otherwise they don't necessarily follow either their parents' genes...or their parents' admonitions! In this, homosexuality proves to be no different from such unrelated behaviors as violence, being extroverted, or getting divorced. All may be influenced by genes, but not overwhelmingly determined by them.
anonymous--Your point being what on that long blog item??????????
Jim
This is "cool anon". Could you delete the remarks of "idiot anon" so I don't feel like I need to read them?
EH
Anon, I don't usually say this sort of thing, but: you're an idiot.
You copied-and-pasted a lot of junk here. You have alleged that I "instructed toddlers in anal sex" and you pasted a discussion that I linked to, from several months ago, and there is nothing remotely like that here. The reason I included that link in my post was so readers could see that there was nothing like "instructing toddlers in anal sex," which Michelle Turner was trying to imply in her talk. Intelligent readers could have simply clicked the link and read for themselves.
You tell me what the dictionary says about epistemology? Man, you missed the point.
And what did this mean --If it is in “the Advocate” than you have to belive it cause your gay.
I'm not gay, and even if I was, I wouldn't believe everything in the Advocate any more than I believe everything in Penthouse. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
By the way, the quote from Leader U was entirely inappropriate rightwing propaganda by one of the most biased haters in the field. Stupid, idiotic, dumb.
JimK
"anonymous said....The problem revolves around what you want taught not what we want taught.
Opt out works nicely for this if it is conflicting for you and your children.
Exactly what is it you think we want taught? Would you be more happy if no sex ed was taught at all?"
Kay, I don't know if someone told you that changing the subject is an effective technique but that's what you've done and it doesn't make for an honest discussion.
Jim said he got into this because someone was trying to teach his kids something "stupid". I merely pointed out that no one proposed teaching his kids anything- it was actually TTF that has supported teaching new things. Do you disagree?
"anonymous said...My problem is the attempt by TTF to inappropriately appropriate the gravitas of science to support their cause. If it's a moral cause, argue it from that standpoint.
Such as CRC and PFOX wanting the ex-gay factor taught?"
They want all sides of the topic taught if any is. They're right to advocate that since there is no scientific evidence which speaks to this topic.
Anoymous said...Kay, I don't know if someone told you that changing the subject is an effective technique but that's what you've done and it doesn't make for an honest discussion.
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nice try anonymous...but it will not work.
anonymous said..They want all sides of the topic taught if any is.
Well we know homosexuality exists..but nothing the supports
the existence of the ex-gay factor.
anonymous said.. I merely pointed out that no one proposed teaching his kids anything- it was actually TTF that has supported teaching new things.
What new things specifically as it relates to the old proposed curriculum?????
The constant claims by anon that major medical and psychological assns have no scientific backing is ridiculous. Yes, of course, it is all political because you say so.
Don't teach your kids anything- we don't care- opt out if you want- and in fact, your kids are probably not in our schools. There is a great deal of science involved in the facts about homosexuality and absolutely none in the phony world of Richard Cohen and PFOX.
"anonymous said..They want all sides of the topic taught if any is.
Well we know homosexuality exists..but nothing the supports
the existence of the ex-gay factor."
Kay, I'm not going to respond to your feigning tactics. You know the differences between the old and the attempted-as-new-but-now-discarded curriculums. Again, dishonest rhetorical shifting.
"The constant claims by anon that major medical and psychological assns have no scientific backing is ridiculous. Yes, of course, it is all political because you say so."
If they have scientific backing, why not teach the backing? You can't because, as is becoming increasingly clear, the associations acted on "political and social considerations". Thanks Dr. Lief.
"Don't teach your kids anything- we don't care- opt out if you want- and in fact, your kids are probably not in our schools. There is a great deal of science involved in the facts about homosexuality and absolutely none in the phony world of Richard Cohen and PFOX."
We're still trying to find out what "stupid" things someone suggested teaching Jim's kids that energized him to join this "noble" struggle.
Kay, I'm not going to respond to your feigning tactics. You know the differences between the old and the attempted-as-new-but-now-discarded curriculums. Again, dishonest rhetorical shifting.
Okay this coming from a person not signing their name....
Somehow I knew when I asked you to show specifics as it relates to curriculum items in old proposed..I knew you would decline.
Anon, excuse me but I didn't realize you were saying that it was us who wanted new content in the curriculum.
This started for me in May 2004, when a minority of extremists on the old citizens committee wrote a letter to the school board, insisting that their bizarre materials should be included in the curriculum. You can read my response to the letter HERE, and an idea what it was that they wanted to teach our kids.
The changes that were introduced by the school board were modest, appropriate, and well overdue. The changes that the "other side" wanted were outvoted in the committee, even though a good number of conservative groups were represented there. Any sensible person would oppose the changes that they were insisting on.
Before I saw that letter I had no involvement in this controversy at all, or interest in it.
JimK
You want facts I give you facts. You don’t want to read the facts I don’t care. If you had Facts you would post them on your site. You don’t have facts so you blame me. I call you a lie and you ask me to prove it. When I do, you change the subject. You deny your gay and yet you act so gay. Why do you call your self teach the facts if you have no facts to teach. You don’t even want to see the facts you just want everyone to go along with what you are preaching and attack any one who does not agree with you. And then you cry when you don’t get your way. Make up stuff and clamed a vast conspiracy is suppressing you. Poor poor little gay people life is so cruel to you.
You proved I'm not a lie? I must have missed it.
JimK
anoymous said...."I call you a lie and you ask me to prove it."
Is this "Wit and Wisdom...."
I know that it can't be just me- that most people here recognize that those who oppose us refuse to read the actual curriculum, refuse to read the opt-out policy and base their "facts" on one or two people while claiming the AMA, the APA, major educational assns are all political or claiming we are forcing anyone to learn anything- or equating teaching the definitions of homosexuality with teaching reparative therapy. I am as equally tired of the two or three somewhat readable opposers as I am of the crazies. I know the other Andrea doesn't like the idea of the word crazies but I am sorry. I am well versed in the world of mental health- and yet still use that term. I don't want to denigrate people who have actual mental illness or psychological problems by equating them with the crazies who post here.
andrear said... know that it can't be just me- that most people here recognize that those who oppose us refuse to read the actual curriculum, refuse to read the opt-out policy and base their "facts" on one or two people while claiming the AMA, the APA, major educational assns are all political or claiming we are forcing anyone to learn anything- or equating teaching the definitions of homosexuality with teaching reparative therapy.
about sums it up.....
"I know that it can't be just me- that most people here recognize that those who oppose us refuse to read the actual curriculum,"
read it. it doesn't contain facts.
"refuse to read the opt-out policy"
read it. it constitutes viewpoint discrimination.
"and base their "facts" on one or two people"
don't claim any facts. you do.
falsely.
"while claiming the AMA, the APA, major educational assns are all political"
everyone knows that.
"or claiming we are forcing anyone to learn anything- or equating teaching the definitions of homosexuality with teaching reparative therapy."
you're not forcing anyone. so far, we've stopped you.
"I am as equally tired of the two or three somewhat readable opposers"
i bet you are.
"as I am of the crazies."
you've got a mental illness. paranoia.
Anonymous said...
read it. it doesn't contain facts.
read it. it constitutes viewpoint discrimination.
What facts did the curriculum not contain and explain your viewpoint discrimination item as related to curriculum, resource materials or opt out policy
"What facts did the curriculum not contain"
read it yourself. doesn't contain any facts.
"and explain your viewpoint discrimination item as related to curriculum, resource materials or opt out policy"
opt out policy assumes GLAAD worldview correct. teach traditional view and make GLAAD-sponsored organizations opt out.
Lost in Space robot (LISR)
yes..that cleared up all the mystery....
Gosh, I guess anon is a psychiatrist- since he says I have a mental illness- or maybe just a fake therapist like Richard Cohen. But this was just another boring incorrect post- who wrote it? Johnny, Wyatt? Come on out,boys- admit it!
Oh no not our dear buddy Wyatt who follows us on the listservs...say it ain't so...
well, someone is obsessed with us- or why would they write here- if they didn't want to hear from us?
Maybe they were booted off the CRC message board and came here.
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