Katherine Harris on Church and State
I don't want to take sides in an ongoing election campaign, so will report this news without comments. Florida Senate candidate Katherine Harris has raised some questions that we hear sometimes, regarding the separation of church and state.
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MIAMI - U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris told a religious journal that separation of church and state is "a lie" and God and the nation's founding fathers did not intend the country be "a nation of secular laws." The Republican candidate for U.S. Senate also said that if Christians are not elected, politicians will "legislate sin," including abortion and gay marriage.
Harris made the comments — which she clarified Saturday — in the Florida Baptist Witness, the weekly journal of the Florida Baptist State Convention, which interviewed political candidates and asked them about religion and their positions on issues.
Separation of church and state is "a lie we have been told," Harris said in the interview, published Thursday, saying separating religion and politics is "wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers."
"If you're not electing Christians, then in essence you are going to legislate sin," Harris said. Harris clarifies comments on religion
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Her comments drew criticism, including some from fellow Republicans who called them offensive and not representative of the party.
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., who is Jewish, told the Orlando Sentinel that she was "disgusted" by the comments.
Harris' campaign released a statement Saturday saying she had been "speaking to a Christian audience, addressing a common misperception that people of faith should not be actively involved in government."
The comments reflected "her deep grounding in Judeo-Christian values," the statement said, adding that Harris had previously supported pro-Israel legislation and legislation recognizing the Holocaust.
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Harris' opponents in the GOP primary also gave interviews to the Florida Baptist Witness but made more general statements on their faith.
Harris, 49, faced widespread criticism for her role overseeing the 2000 presidential recount as Florida's secretary of state.
State GOP leaders — including Gov. Jeb Bush — don't think she can win against Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson in November. Fundraising has lagged, frustrated campaign workers have defected in droves and the issues have been overshadowed by news of her dealings with a corrupt defense contractor who gave her $32,000 in illegal campaign contributions.
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posted by JimK at 12:34 PM
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Hello Jim and all,
Hope this is not too off topic for you. It gets to the root of the problem of deluded and greedy politicians who impose their own ignorance on millions of others, while spouting religion and pretending to serve the Creator. Because of the reliance on money, politics, and religion, we are teetering on the verge of world-wide disaster. Idiots like Ms. Harris could care less about everyone else as long as she gets her hands on wealth and power. It is long past time that people stand up for truth and justice and give these scoundrels their due.
I pose to you and others that the context and meaning of these ancient texts have been lost on those confused by the assertions of religious leaders and founders. Ancient wisdom has been purposely recast and obfuscated into religion and mysticism. Consequently, the interpretations presented about the sources and meaning of these texts and the philosophy and cosmology of ancient Hebrew sages is completely wrong. Before you scoff and write me off, you should understand that I speak from personal experience...
Understanding the Fatal Flaws in Judeo-Christian-Islamic Prophecy
Remember the saying that "the truth will set you (and others) free?" How does "opening one's eyes to the truth" relate to "making the blind see again" or "shining the light" or "illuminating a subject?" Notice the inherent symbolism associated with this supposed New Testament "miracle?"
As certain world leaders strive to instigate a fabricated "battle of Armageddon," it is vital to understand and spread the truth about these ancient texts to help bring about an end to such abominable evil. You can never expect philosophies based on lies and great error to lead to peace and harmony. How many more millennia of terrible proof is necessary before humanity finally gets a clue that most have been utterly deceived by the very concept of religion.
Without it, Bush, the Neo-Cons, and their cohorts could never have gained and retained political power by manipulating an already deluded and susceptible constituency. Likewise, their thinly veiled partners in crime, Bin Laden and his ilk, could never have succeeded in their roles in this centuries-old Vatican-led grand deception.
We are all trapped by a web of deception formed by money, religion, and politics. The great evils that bedevil us all will never cease until humanity finally awakens, shakes off these strong delusions, and forges a new path to the future.
Here is Wisdom...
Peace...
finaly some sane bloggers. jim check out his site. you have been waisting your talent. go and serve.
7hand drops in here occasionally, we seem to be on his circuit -- I count ten other web sites where he pasted these exact same comments, at least the second half of them.
Now, I admit I didn't read every word of that blog he linked (my ISP has been down all day and I'm playing catch-up), but to tell you the truth, 7star's argument makes reasonably good sense to me. Ancient wisdom writings corrupted and utilized as religious teachings, yes, that is entirely credible. His tying together of Ezekiel and Revelation is also credible -- those two books reflect one another in a powerful way. And I have to say I agree with his opinion of the modern hillbilly interpretation of these profound arcana. Not in every detail, but generally.
There's a lot of wisdom in the ancient texts, and a lot of mystery, and I don't blame 7hand for trying to figure them out.
JimK
Jim writes,
7star's argument makes reasonably good sense to me.
You have got to be kidding me!
Besides the fact that this lonely spammer's "website" froze up my browswer window with his drivel, there is little to what he has posted other than what would otherwise be recognized by more discerning folk as shameless self promotion.
Pathetic.
Orin -- "shameless self-promotion?" What is this person promoting himself to do?
Again, I didn't read much of what he had there, but there were two levels of things I thought looked ok. First, his analysis of the symbolism of several Judaic mystery documents -- I've seen people do worse. I did not agree with the part of his interpretation that put his life in a special light, but ... when you go there sometimes that's part of what you have to straighten out, the relation of your own consciousness to universal consciousness, Atman to Brahma as it were. Maybe he'll come out the other side, maybe he won't.
The second part was his critique of how modern evanagelists misinterpret the same mystery documents. I agree that it's incorrect to take metaphorical passages from mystics as literal physical truth. Well, "incorrect" is a little weak there.
Not much difference to me between this and, oh, William Blake, or Yeats in his "The Vision" phase. No harm done, and some people just have to work through these things.
Whatever, you know, it's another example of something that I don't have to have an opinion about.
JimK
Mark 13:14-20
14) " But when you see the desolating sacrilege set up where it ought not to be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains; 15) let him who is on the housetop not go down, nor enter his house, to take anything away; 16) and let him who is in the field not turn back to take his mantle. 17) And alas for those who are with child and for those who give suck in those days! 18) Pray that it may not happen in winter. 19) For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will be. 20) And if the Lord had not shortened the days, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he shortened the days.
I'm going to post one of those things the other side hates when we do it- Harris is just a nut- and a political hack. Do we need to say more?
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