Thursday, August 02, 2007

A Weak Letter to the Gazette

The Gazette had several letters this week about the sex-ed curriculum. One was from the leader of a Mormon group that opposes the new classes, repeating the same ... old ... cliches about the curriculum.

Here we go again:
While some may give Montgomery County’s new sex education curriculum an A for Acceptance of sexual variations, I would give it a D for Dishonesty because it is written from an advocacy perspective and omits health risks.

Mmm, yeah, a team of doctors from the American Academy of Pediatrics wrote it, they're child advocates, health advocates, research advocates. That's why they wrote it from an "advocacy perspective."

And it "omits health risks" because the health risks are in the Health Risk section of the Health Curriculum, which, I believe, is scheduled to start the day after the condom lesson. Some parts of the Health curriculum were recently overhauled; the Sexually Transmitted Disease section was not part of that, but it's there.
The condom video tells kids to use a condom for vaginal, anal and oral sex. A diverse group of 270 Montgomery County physicians signed a petition stating that a quote from a U.S. Surgeon General on the risks of anal intercourse even with condoms should be included in the curriculum. This petition was rejected by the Citizens Advisory Committee and the school board!

For some reason, the CRC and their friends are just dying to get the schools to talk more about anal sex. The video says to use a condom for anal sex because that's sound medical advice. There's no need to go into graphic detail in 10th grade about how you do that, they just need to know to use the condom correctly.

And the quote from the Surgeon General, oh come on. We've talked about that HERE, among other places. That was nearly twenty years ago. The guy wasn't even Surgeon General when he made the statement they want to include. There was a new, unexplained AIDS epidemic, something nobody'd ever seen, the country was in a panic. It was good advice then, it's bad advice now.

The doctor's petition, oh boy, here we go again; this is like whack-a-mole, one says it then the other one pops up and says it. We talked about that petition HERE, HERE, and HERE. Those doctors didn't know what they were signing. At least one wrote to the school district to retract her signature. I talked to another one, who said he and his partners felt tricked when they found out what the CRC's Ruth Jacobs had gotten them to sign. They did not agree with it, or with the CRC's position, at all. I know there are lots of others, but they're doctors, they're too busy to deal with it.
Would you reject the medical advice of 270 physicians and a U.S Surgeon General on a life and death health issue?

On several occasions the latest medical studies from the NIH Consensus Conference on condom protection rates were presented to the CAC and school board. These valuable statistics, which would motivate most teens to choose abstinence, failed to be included in the curriculum. Students are simply told ‘‘using a condom correctly and consistently greatly increases the chance that it will be effective in preventing pregnancy and many STIs/STDs.”

No, the "latest medical studies from the NIH Consensus Conference" were not presented to the committee. One sentence, taken out of context, was presented. You can read about that HERE -- scroll down near the end -- or see the report itself HERE. The report says, among other things:
... These data provide strong evidence for the effectiveness of condoms for reducing sexually transmitted HIV.

Which is one reason the curriculum recommends using them.
Would you define 85 percent protection from HIV/AIDS and a mere 25 percent protection from HPV, the leading cause of cervical cancer, as ‘‘effective?”

Uh, 85 percent, yes, that's definitely worth doing. (You should see how these numbers are calculated.) The 25 percent is nonsense. HPV can be transmitted by any skin-to-skin contact, it can be transmitted sexually or any other way. If you wore a condom over your whole body, it'd work. Covering a few inches of skin might not, but it sure won't hurt any.
Why would school officials hide the health risks of sexual activity from students?

They "hide the health risks" so students can "find them" in the STD section, the next day.
Parents would be wise to keep their children out of these classes.

RoseMarie Briggs, North Potomac

The writer is executive director of the Family Leader Network and a MCPS parent.

They just keep doing this, distorting, whining, complaining. That's why we can't let up. They substitute their slogans for facts, and people who pick up the newspaper can't tell the difference -- who (besides us) would go to the trouble of looking up all this stuff?

The petition was a hoax, the Surgeon General was a long time ago, the consensus conference supports the use of condoms, 85 percent protection is worth doing, the curriculum has a whole section on the health risks of sex.

If you don't care about your children learning how to protect themselves from pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases, then go ahead, keep them out of these classes. It's an easy option to take, just don't sign the permission slip. Please, really -- only sign it if you actually want your children to get this education.

32 Comments:

Anonymous Jor-el said...

"For some reason, the CRC and their friends are just dying to get the schools to talk more about anal sex. The video says to use a condom for anal sex because that's sound medical advice. There's no need to go into graphic detail in 10th grade about how you do that, they just need to know to use the condom correctly."

The problem, Jimbo, is by grouping anal with other types of sex in the condom recommendation, you imply that the safety factor is the same. There is no proof of that and good reason to believe it's not so.

The only reason you have a problem with this is that you don't want gays to have to deal with this inconvenient truth.

Try being a student advocate rather than a gay advocate.

August 02, 2007 9:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The unremitting tub-thumping and hair-tearing by these losers is becoming quite tiresome! They lost on this issue...it's time for them to move on to more pressing and significant issues such as homelessness, the decay of inner-city schools, corruption of elected officials, the killing of our children on a daily basis in an immoral war, spousal and family abuse, alcoholism and drug abuse, or the disgraceful divorce rate. Expending their apparently abundant free time and energies to solving these issues can only benefit society.
The in/out option provision as required by Maryland law and provided to those MCPS parents who choose not to expose their children to this subject is the obvious solution to their problems with this curriculum. I don't need any more of their masked religious moralizing. Move on!
Rob

August 02, 2007 10:05 AM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

grouping anal with other types of sex in the condom recommendation

CRC supporters have been spinning their wheels so long about one simple statement they are now stuck deep in that rut.

From 2005:

the line about "You should use a condom for vaginal, anal and oral sex" is literally a quote from many, many CDC, NIH, and other government, and health sites... But they just want abstinence taught,which is well and good -and in fact taught - but I disagree on an abstinence only approach. In fact, now CRC (Recall) says the old curriculum is PERFECT, but the video "Hope is not a method" in the old curriculum says EXACTLY the same thing about using condoms for all three types of sex.

http://www.teachthefacts.org/2005/05/few-comments.html

And from this year, 2007:

The video teaches that a condom should be worn during anal and oral sex, but it doesn't discuss, and doesn't even say what those words mean. The condom video that is in current use in MCPS health classes, Hope Is Not a Method, says the same exact thing. CRC leaders have seen that video

http://www.teachthefacts.org/2007/02/crc-v-covert-politically-correct-code_15.html

The CRC also has said many times that the current curriculum is just fine, and they don't want to change it...So it's interesting to look at the condom video that's been in use in Montgomery County schools for ten years, at least -- the one that the CRC likes so much. I myself sat in a room at Einstein High School with the CRC's President a couple of years ago and watched this thing, so I know they know what's in it.

The video, Hope Is Not a Method, was produced in 1993...We have a few chunks of script from the video...

Male host: Condoms not only prevent pregnancies but they are the only method that prevents the spread of sexually transmissible diseases like syphilis, gonorrhea, herpes, condyloma, and of course, HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Now we’re going to be talking about other methods of birth control as well but remember, whether you’re having vaginal, oral, or anal sex, condoms should be used to protect both you and your partner.


http://www.teachthefacts.org/2007/01/current-condom-video.html

The CRC supports the existing curriciulum, which uses 1990s filmstrip "Hope is Not a Method." In that film the narrator says: "remember, whether you’re having vaginal, oral, or anal sex, condoms should be used to protect both you and your partner."

The CRC and its supporters have never been able to explain why the statement in "Hope is Not a Method" meets with their approval while the same statement in the new condom demonstration video does not.

August 02, 2007 10:56 AM  
Anonymous Emproph said...

Jor-el, what exactly is it about anal sex that you feel is not being taught to schoolchildren?

August 02, 2007 12:40 PM  
Blogger Robert said...

So they don't want people to use condoms dearing anal sex?

Did y'all see that CRC, PFOX, and FLN have found someone to sue:

http://www.thomasmore.org/news.html?NewsID=662

This stuff is fabulous.

Anything I can do to help, let me know.

Yours among the Cavaliers,

Robert

August 02, 2007 1:40 PM  
Blogger Robert said...

To any Maryland Youth and GSA sponsors:

We're having a GSA summit on October 20, followed by pizza and a dance. The event will be at Little River United Church of Christ, with details to come. I suspect the dance will be free of charge to summit attendees, with a small fee to people just coming for pizza and dancing.

The invitation is extended to all LGBT and allied youth in VA, MD and DC who are still in high school, and supportive school staff (adults must bring school id). We will probably have a sponsors' meeting as well.

Details to come: www.novayouth.org

or contact me at rrigbyjr@yahoo.com

August 02, 2007 1:44 PM  
Anonymous Jor-el said...

"Jor-el, what exactly is it about anal sex that you feel is not being taught to schoolchildren?"

That even with condom use, it is probably dangerous.

August 02, 2007 2:06 PM  
Anonymous Jor-el said...

"We're having a GSA summit on October 20, followed by pizza and a dance."

Maybe people should picket and heckle everyone that attends like TTF did at the Love Won Out conference?

Oh, that's right, ex-gays are an officially approved target of intolerance by TTF.

August 02, 2007 2:09 PM  
Anonymous Jor-el said...

"So they don't want people to use condoms dearing anal sex?"

They don't care. They just don't want kids taught that it is a safe activity when done with a condom.

August 02, 2007 2:11 PM  
Anonymous Jor-el said...

"They lost on this issue...it's time for them to move on"

Didn't notice TTF giving up when they lost a couple of years ago.

"to more pressing and significant issues such as homelessness, the decay of inner-city schools, corruption of elected officials, the killing of our children on a daily basis in an immoral war, spousal and family abuse, alcoholism and drug abuse, or the disgraceful divorce rate."

Uh, Rob.

Rob, are you there?

Earth to Rob.

Rob...are you reading?

You may be under the influence of red kryptonite.

Remember, many of these problems you list have been exasperated if not outright caused by the valueless sex ed which was imposed on America's schoolchildren in the 70s. Although abstinence programs have begun to roll back some of these problems, TTF would like to eliminate them.

"The in/out option provision as required by Maryland law and provided to those MCPS parents who choose not to expose their children to this subject is the obvious solution to their problems with this curriculum."

That's great for kids whose parents have good sense.

Unfortunately, it's not a widespread phenomenom in Monkey County.

"I don't need any more of their masked religious moralizing. Move on!"

Interesting. Consider this from Rigby:

"The event will be at Little River United Church of Christ"

Why is it that positions taken by conservative churches are considered religious by TTF and positions taken by liberal churches aren't?

This is the mentality that caused TTF's parent organization, MCPS, to lose a couple of years.

August 02, 2007 2:24 PM  
Blogger Robert said...

The anonymoid said:

"Maybe people should picket and heckle everyone that attends like TTF did at the Love Won Out conference?"

We've never been protested at any of our events, though we're always prepared for that. My guess is that there really aren't that many people engaged in the ex-gay stuff, rather it's a lot of smoke generated by good funding and good press relations from large-budget organizations. But I could be wrong, I'm just speculating.

Yours in the Piedmont

Robert

August 02, 2007 3:13 PM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

TTF giving up when they lost a couple of years ago.

TTF didn't lose anything a couple of years ago. TTF was not party to any lawsuits that were filed. The suers who filed the lawsuit against our public school system won a 10 day temporary restraining order. Rather than pushing their case, they settled for 2 seats on a new CAC, the restriction that "associated resource materials will not discuss religious beliefs...or characterize beliefs as attributed to specific religious denominations or sects," and $36K in MCPS funds.

If they had a winnable case, surely they would have pushed it rather than settled. Liberty Counsel, the group that helped the suers last time refused to take up the case again this year. The only right wingers the suers could find to help were the wingnuts who lost the Dover School District's ID case.

Anonjoe can call that winning from now until RAPTURE but it won't change the facts.

the mentality that caused TTF's parent organization, MCPS, to lose a couple of years is on display once more. The suers have no merit to their case, but they are happy to waste tax payer money in another attempt to slow down the inevitable.

"The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice."

August 02, 2007 3:28 PM  
Blogger Randi Schimnosky said...

Jorel said "by grouping anal with other types of sex in the condom recommendation, you imply that the safety factor is the same."

The safety factor is the same. Anal sex is 100% safe in a committed relationship, its promiscuity thats unsafe.

Jorel said "ex-gays are an officially approved target of intolerance by TTF.".

Nonsense, "exgays" are perfectly free to live as they choose, its the anti-gay political hatred that is part and parcel of the "exgay" lie that is unwelcome.

Jorel said ""So they don't want people to use condoms dearing anal sex?"

They don't care. They just don't want kids taught that it is a safe activity when done with a condom".

Finally the truth comes out. Its safer to use a condom than not, but you don't care about that, you just want to stigmatize anal sex and tie it to gays. If you had any morality you'd encourage people not in a committed relationship to use a condom during anal sex. But of course what's right and good isn't important to you, the only thing you care about is discriminating against gays.

Jorel said " many of these problems you list have been exasperated if not outright caused by the valueless sex ed".

LOL, for god's sake stop to think about what you write once in a while - learning to use condoms caused the Iraq war, divorce, alcohol and drug abuse, family violence?! Tell me how! This I've got to hear! This ranks right up there with Orin's insanity that allowing gays to marry keeps men and women apart.

August 02, 2007 8:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jor-el (Anonymous of a thousand faces and names):
Ouch...oh your rapier is soooo sharp. Superciliously beating up on me must make you feel so superior! Unfortunately for you...I do not feel sufficiently chastised by your inane and witless jabs. The point of my comment was that you should try doing something useful and productive in your life for once and not spend so much time laying a trail of crap for others to constantly step in. "Remember, many of these problems you list have been exasperated if not outright caused by the valueless sex ed which was imposed on America's schoolchildren in the 70s." - what utter nonsense! Your one-note weeping would be laughable if it weren't so sad. Move on, CRC!
Rob

August 02, 2007 10:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets take a page from "Miracle on 34th Street." If a bonfide agent of the federal government (CDC, NIH, Justice, HRSA, SAMHSA, the U.S. Surgeon General and many others) says that a condom should be worn during anal sex, and each does, who is MCPS to tell me otherwise.

August 03, 2007 7:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fred Gailey: Your Honor, every one of these letters is addressed to Santa Claus. The Post Office has delivered them. Therefore the Post Office Department, a branch of the Federal Governent, recognizes this man Kris Kringle to be the one and only Santa Claus.

Judge Henry X. Harper: Uh, since the United States Government declares this man to be Santa Claus, this court will not dispute it. Case dismissed.

August 03, 2007 7:43 AM  
Anonymous Emproph said...

Jor-el said...[quoting Emproph]
"Jor-el, what exactly is it about anal sex that you feel is not being taught to schoolchildren?"

JOR-EL: "That even with condom use, it is probably dangerous."

-So your real concern is about teaching schoolchildren what is "probably" true?

Given the factor of rampant STD's, all sex is "is probably dangerous."

Is there anything factual, or perhaps some specific examples about the sex ed curriculum that you could relay to give some merit to this sentiment?

A few questions come to mind.

1) Are you against the sex ed curriculum itself?

2) Or is your main focus on the perils of Anal sex?

3) Or are you conflating the lack of condemnation of anal sex with the lack of condemnation of same gender attraction?

August 03, 2007 9:28 AM  
Anonymous Jor-el said...

"WASHINGTON (Aug. 2) - John Edwards criticized Democratic rival Hillary Rodham Clinton on Thursday for taking more than $20,000 in donations from News Corp. officials, arguing that the company's Fox News Channel has a right-wing bias and Democrats should avoid the company.

The campaign timed the challenge to come two days before Edwards, Clinton and other candidates are scheduled to appear at a convention of liberal bloggers."

I do hope TTF will be sending a representative.

August 03, 2007 11:40 AM  
Anonymous Emproph said...

Hi Jor-el,

I'll see your nonsequitur, and raise you...

If God is infinite Love, then how can the story of God ever have an end? The story itself would invariably be infinite.

I do hope that the stridently religious are addressing the issue of a closed cannon in this regard.

It's almost like that's the idolatry of the Bible. The attempt to "capture" or "bottle" or "contain" the infinite truth of unconditional love.

Unconditional Love = Total Freedom

The Bible is an historical attempt to capture freedom itself.

How is it possible to close a cannon, who's story is ongoing?

August 03, 2007 12:14 PM  
Anonymous Jor-el said...

"Move on, CRC!
Rob"

Uh, Rob.

Rob, are you there?

Earth to Rob.

Rob...are you reading?

You may be under the influence of red kryptonite.

You see, the situation has yet to be resolved. A lawsuit is pending by those who a Judge two years ago found were likely to prevail because of "viewpoint discrimination" by MCPS.

Arrogantly, MCPS did not address this issue and they will likely pay for their lawlessness in court.

August 03, 2007 1:47 PM  
Anonymous Jor-el said...

"I'll see your nonsequitur, and raise you..."

Improv

Could you tell me what the "nonsequitur" was?

August 03, 2007 2:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A lawsuit is pending by those who a Judge two years ago found were likely to prevail

Uh Jor-el, they did not prevail -- they settled.

August 03, 2007 3:03 PM  
Anonymous Emproph said...

Jor-el said...
Could you tell me what the "nonsequitur" was?


Yes, in fact I've named it, it's called; "The Post Right Above Mine Where I Mention The Word Nonsequitur."

You can't miss it.

August 03, 2007 3:16 PM  
Anonymous Jor-el said...

Don't see it, Improv.

Can you use your cut and paste skills?

August 03, 2007 3:20 PM  
Anonymous Jor-el said...

"Uh Jor-el, they did not prevail -- they settled."

Rob o Rob, who robbed you of your critical facilities?

CRC sought to stop the curriculum.

It was stopped.

The got automatic seats on the new committee.

What else could they have gotten if they prevailed, in your estimation?

Your thinking is like the Dr who posts here. There are no ex-gays because no one can find one. When you find one, the Dr says it can be real because there are no ex-gays.

The seasons go round and round

and the painted ponies go

up and down.

August 03, 2007 3:26 PM  
Anonymous Sweet LM :) said...

"Rob o Rob, who robbed you of your critical facilities?

CRC sought to stop the curriculum.

It was stopped."

Jojo I am not Rob. I am Sweet LM. :)

CRC sought to stop the curriculum PERMANENTLY.

It was stopped TEMPORARILY. Next month the new and improved curriculum will be taught.

Go is stop

Stop is go

You say stop
I say go, go, go.
Oh no.
You say goodbye
and I say hello.

August 03, 2007 3:50 PM  
Anonymous Emproph said...

"Can you use your cut and paste skills?"

Here, I've cut and pasted these:

(And by all means, please feel free to take them to heart.)

1) Are you against the sex ed curriculum itself?

2) Or is your main focus on the perils of Anal sex?

3) Or are you conflating the lack of condemnation of anal sex with the lack of condemnation of same gender attraction?

August 03, 2007 5:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Rather than pushing their case, they settled for 2 seats on a new CAC, the restriction that "associated resource materials will not discuss religious beliefs...or characterize beliefs as attributed to specific religious denominations or sects," and $36K in MCPS funds.

If they had a winnable case, surely they would have pushed it rather than settled. " So, Aunt Bea - you have said this a couple of times, and it is simply false. So, I sat in the meeting where we decided to settle. At that time the school district had cancelled the curriculum we were fighting over. We thought that there was nothing left to fight about, and to continue to pursue the case in court would just waste taxpayer money, because the curriculum had been cancelled ! In retrospect, we should have pursued it, to get the decision officially on the books, regardless of the fact that the curriculum that was the subject of the court case had been cancelled. To say that we didn't think we would win is quite simply false. theresa

August 04, 2007 1:08 AM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

MCPS was brilliant to knock the feet out from under the suers IMHO. If the lawyers at Liberty Counsel thought you could have won that case, they would not have advised you to settle it.

Two years later, a revised curriculum covering sexual variation as required by COMAR has been pilot tested and approved by both the county and state Boards of Education for full implementation this fall.

You should try sleeping at 1 AM. It's better for you than obsessing.

August 04, 2007 8:51 AM  
Blogger Dana Beyer, M.D. said...

Theresa,

You can believe what you want to believe, as you apparently do. Religious literalists are very good at that type of thinking. You know, in your saner, more rational moments, that the only reason the judge ordered the TRO was because of the comments about religion in the Teacher Resources. Those are now gone, as is any ground upon which you try to stand.

The irony is that your team truly believes that religion should be at least discussed in public schools -- the "religion in the public square" argument. Personally, I don't disagree. So when MCPS fashioned a curriculum where there was one simple segment delineating where various religious denominations stood on the issue of homosexuality, you went ballistic. You lack such self-confidence in your religious beliefs that you wouldn't even let them be present for any possible discussion. Very sad.

Now your whole movement is running out of steam. Your time has passed. One would think you'd try to accommodate yourself to the reality post-Bush/Cheney and try to find common ground with the vast majority so these issues can at least be discussed rationally.

August 04, 2007 9:15 AM  
Anonymous Jor-el said...

"You can believe what you want to believe, as you apparently do. Religious literalists are very good at that type of thinking. You know, in your saner, more rational moments, that the only reason the judge ordered the TRO was because of the comments about religion in the Teacher Resources. Those are now gone, as is any ground upon which you try to stand."

You're the one denying reality, Dr. The judge stated two reasons for issuing the TRO.

Theresa, being party to CRC's decision, would obviously know more about the basis of the decision than you.

"The irony is that your team truly believes that religion should be at least discussed in public schools -- the "religion in the public square" argument. Personally, I don't disagree. So when MCPS fashioned a curriculum where there was one simple segment delineating where various religious denominations stood on the issue of homosexuality, you went ballistic. You lack such self-confidence in your religious beliefs that you wouldn't even let them be present for any possible discussion. Very sad."

Actually, MCPS stated what position it thought was right and then listed which denominations held that position and which didn't.

"Now your whole movement is running out of steam. Your time has passed. One would think you'd try to accommodate yourself to the reality post-Bush/Cheney and try to find common ground with the vast majority so these issues can at least be discussed rationally."

You think these Democrats are ever going to any risky stands? Come on, get real.

August 06, 2007 7:45 AM  
Blogger Dana Beyer, M.D. said...

Actually, I do. While many Democrats have been spineless for decades -- it's called "learned helplessness" -- that is slowly changing, and I'm proud to be a part of that change. One example is Elizabeth Edwards' support for marriage equality. Another is the HRC/LOGO "debate" on LGBT issues later this week with seven of the nine Democratic candidates.

I read the judge's ruling and I disagree with you. Anyway, we're way past that now, both in Montgomery County and this country as a whole. Change happens slowly -- that's the American way.

Btw, you still haven't told me why you believe Christian scripture rather than any other. I asked you if your beliefs were innate.

August 07, 2007 9:05 AM  

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