Sunday Morning Off Topic
It's strange to think that a hurricane passed by us this week. All we got out of it was a couple of days of clouds, no big deal; I understand they got some real weather over at the beaches. This morning is cloudy still, and cool, but nice. Yesterday I raked the front yard and got a blister, no, I don't know what you call this, it's worse than a blister. Let's just say I wore the skin off my hand between my thumb and index finger. My wife, who is a nurse, had this cool bandage she put on it; I've never seen this before, it's like skin, you don't even know it's there. She had a name for it. It looks like a band-aid, but it's a different kind of plastic or something. Well, I don't actually feel that kind of pain, it doesn't bother me, but it's good to prevent infection in that raw flesh. Cool band-aid.
This has been a week with a lot of music in it. Let me talk about that. Yesterday my family gave me a new CD, the "Complete Clapton" 2-CD set, 36 of Eric Clapton's recordings, so great to hear this stuff. He really has done some great work over the years. I can listen to this over and over again. You know I did steal a few of his licks over the years, just a few.
Earlier in the week I bought a really interesting album. Robert Plant and Allison Krauss did one together. Okay, Robert Plant, former singer for Led Zeppelin, Dionysian occultist, and Allison Krauss, angelic (Appolonian) bluegrass fiddler and singer. I could not imagine how this would work, but it is beautiful. They picked the best material by everybody's favorite songwriters, and recorded it with these sparse arrangements that totally work.
I think of it like this. You don't realize it, but the band on a lot of the old Donovan recordings -- "Sunshine Superman," "Mellow Yellow," stuff like that -- was essentially Led Zeppelin, at least the instrumentalists. Some of those records are, I think, really amazing to listen to. Go back and listen to "First There Is a Mountain." Listen to the percussion, the guitars, the flute. It is raucous and peaceful at the same time, driven with youthful energy and spontaneity, channeled by great chops and great taste.
So if you think of Robert Plant coming from that background, using the studio creatively, hitting a box for rhythm if it sounds better than the drum set, this makes a little more sense than if you think of Led Zep with big fat drums and echoing electric guitars. And Allison Krauss ... I've already used up the word "angelic," there's no better word for her. I think Allison Krauss is what Emmylou Harris pretended to be, and I love Emmylou. Allison Krauss came up by way of the fiddle contests, proving herself as a child and then pushing incessantly upward in the industry, as people heard a sound and stopped and listened and were converted. If you've ever seen her, even on TV, you'll know what it is about her, she just sings from another place. So Plant and Krauss together represent the merging of two worlds, but in such a seamless way that you realize there was no gap between the worlds, really, in the first place.
I think it works because of T-Bone Burnett, who produced the CD and plays guitar on it. This is one guy whose career I would like to have. I had his first album, back in the day. He dropped out of sight for a long time, and now he's back mostly producing recordings by other artists. He plays the guitars on this one, and I have the feeling he has a lot to do with the "sound" of it, which is really what this album is about. It's not really "songs," though of course it is, mainly it's a sound that you can have around you, a personal, airy, earthy, fiery, watery sound that colors your world.
I have been writing songs lately, and playing around with some acoustic instruments. Yes, I am mostly an electric guitar player, I have my old Stratocaster with all the varnish worn off the fretboard, I got a Mesa Boogie amp a couple of years ago, yes, I can turn your eardrums to powder at a hundred yards. But lately I've been playing with some acoustic instruments.
It started when my wife got me a bowed psaltery at the Renaissance Festival. This is like a triangular harp, with the strings attached to pegs along the side, in staggered lengths, so you can take a violin bow and catch the exposed length of each string where it is longer than the preceding one and shorter than the next one. Because it's a harp, when you play one note the others resonate, and it has a lot of bright, sibilant harmonics -- the dog comes in and barks when I play it, if that tells you something. It's hard to play it fast, you would have to use two bows, but it makes a beautiful sound if you play it slowly. The notes are laid out like a piano, white keys on one side and black keys on the other, and it's got a couple of octaves of range, so you can really play almost anything on it.
The bowed psaltery kind of got me thinking, I guess, that plus seeing that bluegrass band at the Birchmere a while back, hearing the pure resonant sounds of strings and wood. This week I also got out my cavaquinho, which a friend in Portugal gave me a couple of years ago. This is a little guitar-like instrument, with four strings, about like a ukulele, in fact, the ukulele was invented after Portuguese sailors visited the Hawaiian islands and the locals saw one of these things. In Portugal I visited a cordophone museum. A cordophone is a stringed instrument where you pluck the strings rather than bowing them. This Portuguese guy had a museum where he displayed all these lutes, mandolins, guitars, and various things in between. One thing he did was to take old paintings, like from the Renaissance, with musical instruments in them, and try to make the instruments, because a lot of those things just don't exist any more. Like just about everybody in o Minho, he also made wine. So anyway, somebody gave me a cavaquinho (which, given that it came from Braga, might also be called a braguinha), which has a bright, hard tone, in a high range.
One other thing. I took a day off from work this week, had to put dollars into an old car to make it easier for a kid to do things I wouldn't approve of, if you know what I mean. Anyway, in the afternoon I did something I should have done years ago. I took an old instrument out from under the bed and brought it to the shop to get fixed.
Probably twenty years ago I gave this old Mexican guy in Fresno a crummy amplifier in exchange for a Weissenborn Hawaiian lap guitar. This is an acoustic lap steel, hollow from end to end. But the top was a little warped under the bridge, and in fact the bridge and pins were in an envelope that was stuffed inside the thing, so I never played it. It was old when I got it, probably going back to the twenties or thirties. I have had this thing in its dilapidated case all these years, never played it, and this week I took it down to Levins to see if they could put it back together.
You should see the guys at the guitar-repair shop when you come in with something like this. Day after day the guy works on badly-made and badly-treated instruments, some bratty kid's electric guitar that he can't play but wants to be cool and blames the instrument if he can't play it like Yngwe. And then somebody comes in and says, "This has been under the bed for twenty-something years..." and everybody comes out of the back of the shop, people passing by come in and have a look at this weird thing. He's going to want to wet the wood and clamp it for a month or so, see if he can get the warp out of it, though it's a lap steel and the action doesn't really matter that much because you don't press down the strings, you play it with a steel bar. He made it sound like it might be forty or fifty dollars. Not a lot of work, but it will take some time to re-shape that wood. It's a kind of thing where he's happy to work on a nice, interesting instrument like that, and I'll be happy to get it back and play it.
I've never played lap steel before, really. I have a couple of electrics, and of course I've tried to do the David Lindley thing with them, but that loses its appeal after a few minutes. I did play pedal steel for a couple of years, and I consider that to be the hardest instrument there is. Every time you step on a pedal or push a knee-lever, the whole tuning of the instrument changes. Plus there are no frets, so there are an infinite number of places you can put the bar that will produce a wrong note, with one tiny little place where it's right. You can't look up, playing steel, you are immersed in it.
I lost my steel when a keyboard player borrowed it and then left town. He wanted to see how it worked, well it is a kind of fascinating set-up. I knew a steel player once who told people he played the ironing board.
As far as I know there is no acoustic pedal steel guitar, only the Hawaiian ones with fixed tuning.
WPFW is unusually good this morning. Maybe the theme is ... screechy violins. Some of this drifts into atonality, most of it experiments with dissonance, at least. I think the violin is the best instrument. It has the most beautiful tone, and the musician has complete control over it, over pitch, loudness, attack, decay, everything.
This morning I asked my daughter if she knew what the difference was between a violin and a fiddle. She guessed it had to do with the bow. In fact, there is no difference between a violin and a fiddle. Physically, they are exactly the same instrument. Or ... the difference is that a violin is respectable. You hear violins at the opera, fiddles at the Opry. Fiddles are for folk music, dance music, real-people music, violins are for people in suits who sit still and very quiet and pretend to understand what it all means. To me, it's like, what's the difference between a wildflower and a weed? Nothing but respectability.
You might not be surprised to know that I see myself on the fiddle/weed side of things.
One more thing that I'm thinking about this morning. Last night I was standing in the kitchen reading the first few pages of Proust's Rememberance of Things Past. I want to understand his concept of "habitude," which I suspect will work into my swarm theory stuff in an important way, there's a term in the formula that's hard to explain, and Proust might have the explanation but that means you have to dive into this huge and complex two-volume novel. Anyway, the TV was on upstairs, and it sounded like an old movie, so I wandered up and watched the last ninety percent of The Misfits, with Clark Gable and Marilyn Monroe. This movie was unbelievable, there is no way they could make a movie that good any more.
It was the last movie for both the stars, she was in detox during the filming of it and he died a few weeks after. The script was written by Arthur Miller, who was married to Marilyn Monroe at the time but their marriage was breaking up. I think it was his genius that made this thing so great.
This beautiful woman, a stripper, hooks up with these three guys who catch wild mustangs and sell them to glue factories. She doesn't really understand what they're doing at first, and then it dawns on her and she feels sorry for the horses. It seemed to me that the central theme was ... the civilizing influence of women. These guys would do anything for a buck, basically, they didn't care about the horses, but they did find Marilyn Monroe appealing, and so you saw, through the movie, each of the (loser) guys go over to her and offer to free the horses, hoping really for a shot at her. Clark Gable didn't, though, he was a manly man, not apologizing about what he did for a living, not going to be influenced by some blonde. Well, sort of. At the end he ... I won't tell you, but he does end up with the girl, let's say.
So men do what they have to do, and are basically animals with pride, and women with their sensitivity and their irresistible beauty just complicate things, golldang it all. But they know she's right, once she makes them think about it. And, plus, it is Marilyn Monroe, who wouldn't free a horse for a few minutes of sitting next to her? There is also a kind of theme where they're chasing down these horses and lassoing them, where she's breathing heavy through those wonderful parted lips, as if she is getting aroused watching the manly men work their criminal deeds, and you see the influence going both ways, but in entirely different channels. And maybe you didn't notice that we are back to Robert Plant and Allison Krauss again.
There's just so much to think about there. You couldn't have a movie like that now, it's sort of pre-feminist, sub-moral, you can almost smell the sexuality of these people, right and wrong are a matter of practicality in a world of physical action which is -- another theme of the movie -- dissolving around them as other people go to work in offices, which these guys just hate. The worst insult in the movie is when one of them tells the other he ought to go work in an office. You watch this old black and white movie now, and you sympathize with these characters, you know how they feel, they come from another world but not so different. Right and wrong haven't changed, but the way we think about them has.
Well, I guess I just used up the hour we gained last night. I hear movement upstairs, and I know that there are plans to start packing up stuff so they can re-do our floors and ceilings and walls after all that water damage. We have a lot of work to do, life is just brimming with possibilities.
This has been a week with a lot of music in it. Let me talk about that. Yesterday my family gave me a new CD, the "Complete Clapton" 2-CD set, 36 of Eric Clapton's recordings, so great to hear this stuff. He really has done some great work over the years. I can listen to this over and over again. You know I did steal a few of his licks over the years, just a few.
Earlier in the week I bought a really interesting album. Robert Plant and Allison Krauss did one together. Okay, Robert Plant, former singer for Led Zeppelin, Dionysian occultist, and Allison Krauss, angelic (Appolonian) bluegrass fiddler and singer. I could not imagine how this would work, but it is beautiful. They picked the best material by everybody's favorite songwriters, and recorded it with these sparse arrangements that totally work.
I think of it like this. You don't realize it, but the band on a lot of the old Donovan recordings -- "Sunshine Superman," "Mellow Yellow," stuff like that -- was essentially Led Zeppelin, at least the instrumentalists. Some of those records are, I think, really amazing to listen to. Go back and listen to "First There Is a Mountain." Listen to the percussion, the guitars, the flute. It is raucous and peaceful at the same time, driven with youthful energy and spontaneity, channeled by great chops and great taste.
So if you think of Robert Plant coming from that background, using the studio creatively, hitting a box for rhythm if it sounds better than the drum set, this makes a little more sense than if you think of Led Zep with big fat drums and echoing electric guitars. And Allison Krauss ... I've already used up the word "angelic," there's no better word for her. I think Allison Krauss is what Emmylou Harris pretended to be, and I love Emmylou. Allison Krauss came up by way of the fiddle contests, proving herself as a child and then pushing incessantly upward in the industry, as people heard a sound and stopped and listened and were converted. If you've ever seen her, even on TV, you'll know what it is about her, she just sings from another place. So Plant and Krauss together represent the merging of two worlds, but in such a seamless way that you realize there was no gap between the worlds, really, in the first place.
I think it works because of T-Bone Burnett, who produced the CD and plays guitar on it. This is one guy whose career I would like to have. I had his first album, back in the day. He dropped out of sight for a long time, and now he's back mostly producing recordings by other artists. He plays the guitars on this one, and I have the feeling he has a lot to do with the "sound" of it, which is really what this album is about. It's not really "songs," though of course it is, mainly it's a sound that you can have around you, a personal, airy, earthy, fiery, watery sound that colors your world.
I have been writing songs lately, and playing around with some acoustic instruments. Yes, I am mostly an electric guitar player, I have my old Stratocaster with all the varnish worn off the fretboard, I got a Mesa Boogie amp a couple of years ago, yes, I can turn your eardrums to powder at a hundred yards. But lately I've been playing with some acoustic instruments.
It started when my wife got me a bowed psaltery at the Renaissance Festival. This is like a triangular harp, with the strings attached to pegs along the side, in staggered lengths, so you can take a violin bow and catch the exposed length of each string where it is longer than the preceding one and shorter than the next one. Because it's a harp, when you play one note the others resonate, and it has a lot of bright, sibilant harmonics -- the dog comes in and barks when I play it, if that tells you something. It's hard to play it fast, you would have to use two bows, but it makes a beautiful sound if you play it slowly. The notes are laid out like a piano, white keys on one side and black keys on the other, and it's got a couple of octaves of range, so you can really play almost anything on it.
The bowed psaltery kind of got me thinking, I guess, that plus seeing that bluegrass band at the Birchmere a while back, hearing the pure resonant sounds of strings and wood. This week I also got out my cavaquinho, which a friend in Portugal gave me a couple of years ago. This is a little guitar-like instrument, with four strings, about like a ukulele, in fact, the ukulele was invented after Portuguese sailors visited the Hawaiian islands and the locals saw one of these things. In Portugal I visited a cordophone museum. A cordophone is a stringed instrument where you pluck the strings rather than bowing them. This Portuguese guy had a museum where he displayed all these lutes, mandolins, guitars, and various things in between. One thing he did was to take old paintings, like from the Renaissance, with musical instruments in them, and try to make the instruments, because a lot of those things just don't exist any more. Like just about everybody in o Minho, he also made wine. So anyway, somebody gave me a cavaquinho (which, given that it came from Braga, might also be called a braguinha), which has a bright, hard tone, in a high range.
One other thing. I took a day off from work this week, had to put dollars into an old car to make it easier for a kid to do things I wouldn't approve of, if you know what I mean. Anyway, in the afternoon I did something I should have done years ago. I took an old instrument out from under the bed and brought it to the shop to get fixed.
Probably twenty years ago I gave this old Mexican guy in Fresno a crummy amplifier in exchange for a Weissenborn Hawaiian lap guitar. This is an acoustic lap steel, hollow from end to end. But the top was a little warped under the bridge, and in fact the bridge and pins were in an envelope that was stuffed inside the thing, so I never played it. It was old when I got it, probably going back to the twenties or thirties. I have had this thing in its dilapidated case all these years, never played it, and this week I took it down to Levins to see if they could put it back together.
You should see the guys at the guitar-repair shop when you come in with something like this. Day after day the guy works on badly-made and badly-treated instruments, some bratty kid's electric guitar that he can't play but wants to be cool and blames the instrument if he can't play it like Yngwe. And then somebody comes in and says, "This has been under the bed for twenty-something years..." and everybody comes out of the back of the shop, people passing by come in and have a look at this weird thing. He's going to want to wet the wood and clamp it for a month or so, see if he can get the warp out of it, though it's a lap steel and the action doesn't really matter that much because you don't press down the strings, you play it with a steel bar. He made it sound like it might be forty or fifty dollars. Not a lot of work, but it will take some time to re-shape that wood. It's a kind of thing where he's happy to work on a nice, interesting instrument like that, and I'll be happy to get it back and play it.
I've never played lap steel before, really. I have a couple of electrics, and of course I've tried to do the David Lindley thing with them, but that loses its appeal after a few minutes. I did play pedal steel for a couple of years, and I consider that to be the hardest instrument there is. Every time you step on a pedal or push a knee-lever, the whole tuning of the instrument changes. Plus there are no frets, so there are an infinite number of places you can put the bar that will produce a wrong note, with one tiny little place where it's right. You can't look up, playing steel, you are immersed in it.
I lost my steel when a keyboard player borrowed it and then left town. He wanted to see how it worked, well it is a kind of fascinating set-up. I knew a steel player once who told people he played the ironing board.
As far as I know there is no acoustic pedal steel guitar, only the Hawaiian ones with fixed tuning.
WPFW is unusually good this morning. Maybe the theme is ... screechy violins. Some of this drifts into atonality, most of it experiments with dissonance, at least. I think the violin is the best instrument. It has the most beautiful tone, and the musician has complete control over it, over pitch, loudness, attack, decay, everything.
This morning I asked my daughter if she knew what the difference was between a violin and a fiddle. She guessed it had to do with the bow. In fact, there is no difference between a violin and a fiddle. Physically, they are exactly the same instrument. Or ... the difference is that a violin is respectable. You hear violins at the opera, fiddles at the Opry. Fiddles are for folk music, dance music, real-people music, violins are for people in suits who sit still and very quiet and pretend to understand what it all means. To me, it's like, what's the difference between a wildflower and a weed? Nothing but respectability.
You might not be surprised to know that I see myself on the fiddle/weed side of things.
One more thing that I'm thinking about this morning. Last night I was standing in the kitchen reading the first few pages of Proust's Rememberance of Things Past. I want to understand his concept of "habitude," which I suspect will work into my swarm theory stuff in an important way, there's a term in the formula that's hard to explain, and Proust might have the explanation but that means you have to dive into this huge and complex two-volume novel. Anyway, the TV was on upstairs, and it sounded like an old movie, so I wandered up and watched the last ninety percent of The Misfits, with Clark Gable and Marilyn Monroe. This movie was unbelievable, there is no way they could make a movie that good any more.
It was the last movie for both the stars, she was in detox during the filming of it and he died a few weeks after. The script was written by Arthur Miller, who was married to Marilyn Monroe at the time but their marriage was breaking up. I think it was his genius that made this thing so great.
This beautiful woman, a stripper, hooks up with these three guys who catch wild mustangs and sell them to glue factories. She doesn't really understand what they're doing at first, and then it dawns on her and she feels sorry for the horses. It seemed to me that the central theme was ... the civilizing influence of women. These guys would do anything for a buck, basically, they didn't care about the horses, but they did find Marilyn Monroe appealing, and so you saw, through the movie, each of the (loser) guys go over to her and offer to free the horses, hoping really for a shot at her. Clark Gable didn't, though, he was a manly man, not apologizing about what he did for a living, not going to be influenced by some blonde. Well, sort of. At the end he ... I won't tell you, but he does end up with the girl, let's say.
So men do what they have to do, and are basically animals with pride, and women with their sensitivity and their irresistible beauty just complicate things, golldang it all. But they know she's right, once she makes them think about it. And, plus, it is Marilyn Monroe, who wouldn't free a horse for a few minutes of sitting next to her? There is also a kind of theme where they're chasing down these horses and lassoing them, where she's breathing heavy through those wonderful parted lips, as if she is getting aroused watching the manly men work their criminal deeds, and you see the influence going both ways, but in entirely different channels. And maybe you didn't notice that we are back to Robert Plant and Allison Krauss again.
There's just so much to think about there. You couldn't have a movie like that now, it's sort of pre-feminist, sub-moral, you can almost smell the sexuality of these people, right and wrong are a matter of practicality in a world of physical action which is -- another theme of the movie -- dissolving around them as other people go to work in offices, which these guys just hate. The worst insult in the movie is when one of them tells the other he ought to go work in an office. You watch this old black and white movie now, and you sympathize with these characters, you know how they feel, they come from another world but not so different. Right and wrong haven't changed, but the way we think about them has.
Well, I guess I just used up the hour we gained last night. I hear movement upstairs, and I know that there are plans to start packing up stuff so they can re-do our floors and ceilings and walls after all that water damage. We have a lot of work to do, life is just brimming with possibilities.
7 Comments:
"Yesterday my family gave me a new CD, the "Complete Clapton" 2-CD set, 36 of Eric Clapton's recordings, so great to hear this stuff."
Love that Blind Faith song, "Presence of the Lord"
"Earlier in the week I bought a really interesting album. Robert Plant and Allison Krauss did one together. Okay, Robert Plant, former singer for Led Zeppelin, Dionysian occultist, and Allison Krauss, angelic (Appolonian) bluegrass fiddler and singer. I could not imagine how this would work,"
Sounds great to me. I personally discovered Alison Krauss. That voice is transcendent.
"I think of it like this. You don't realize it, but the band on a lot of the old Donovan recordings -- "Sunshine Superman," "Mellow Yellow," stuff like that -- was essentially Led Zeppelin, at least the instrumentalists."
We knew that already. Actually, it's probably amazing to say this, since Zep is generally credited with starting heavy metal, but I think the "heavy" and "metal" parts are overblown. I still listen to II and IV alot and there are abundant mellow moments on it. Especially that song he wrote about Joni Mitchell and did with Sandy Denny. Besides, Plant's the singer.
"I think it works because of T-Bone Burnett, who produced the CD and plays guitar on it. This is one guy whose career I would like to have. I had his first album, back in the day. He dropped out of sight for a long time, and now he's back mostly producing recordings by other artists. He plays the guitars on this one, and I have the feeling he has a lot to do with the "sound" of it, which is really what this album is about. It's not really "songs," though of course it is, mainly it's a sound that you can have around you, a personal, airy, earthy, fiery, watery sound that colors your world."
Did you that T-Bone is an evangelical Christian? He went on Dylan's Rolling Thunder Review and was the first to turn him on to it. His wife, Leslie Philips, had some of the greatest contemporary Christian albums of the 90s.
"It started when my wife got me a bowed psaltery at the Renaissance Festival."
Hey guess what? I bought one of those from that guy at the Renaissance Festival a few years ago. Pretty easy to play.
"Anyway, the TV was on upstairs, and it sounded like an old movie, so I wandered up and watched the last ninety percent of The Misfits, with Clark Gable and Marilyn Monroe. This movie was unbelievable, there is no way they could make a movie that good any more."
You must be buggin my house. I watched that on PBS last night for the first time in 30 years. Love that movie.
Anon, I did not know that T-Bone Burnett is an evangelical Christian. Yesterday I went out and bought his CD, "The True False Identity," and after I listened to it I told my wife, "I don't usually think of a category of 'people like me,' and don't think of myself as a market, but T-Bone Burnett's album seems to be made for 'people like me.'" The album is eclectic, dissonant, clashing, challenging, musically technical. Nothing on it will ever be a hit, and I love it.
If he's evangelical, then good, it seems to me he takes that as a springboard to spirituality, to a real sense of right and wrong and caring about the world, rather than simply echoing what he is told as we have seen so often; you will not find him standing outside the Swim Center demonstrating in favor of discrimination. The intentional emptiness of our American "way of life" grates on him, whether it's Hollywood or just day-to-day zombies walking around.
Robert Plant has done some great stuff, and some embarrassingly dumb stuff. I "recently" (within the last two years) saw a TV performance of him with his band, and they did a lot of the old Led Zep songs, and tamed down a little bit they turned out to be really good songs, on their own. On the other hand, his rockabilly experiment, I thought, was mainly a sign of old age.
I agree with your opinion of "Presence of the Lord" -- "I have finally found a way to live in the presence of the Lord" is something we can all identify with; not so easy to find that place, good when you're there. On the other hand, I'm afraid "Can't Find My Way Home" is the better song, the keeper off the Blind Faith album.
Thanks for writing. When I write something like this, I don't actually expect anyone to read it. So I hide some confessions in it, tie some themes together, just for a little fun on a Sunday morning.
Oh, and no, I didn't bug your house.
JimK
I found a nice little article about T-Bone Burnett at JesusJournal.com. The guy is on a spiritual path, he's looking for the light. I say good for him, this is the kind of example you want to set.
... Burnett was raised in a Christian home, according to a Radix magazine interview, but formally became a follower of Jesus as an 11 year-old at a Christian sports camp. An invitation to receive Jesus was given, and he responded because, as he said, 'Naturally I wanted to be saved.' He felt this act was an expression that came out of an intense religious need he had in his life at the time, a need which he has experienced several times since. Burnett said, "At different times in my life I met God from a different point of view."
Burnett is concerned about individual spirituality and thinks religious institutions, like those of the religious right, have let Jesus down. He told Radix magazine, "I think it's too late for institutions. Christ was saying that every moment touches eternity, every moment we live in. Now is the acceptable time of salvation. That's because here, this moment, right now, is an eternal moment. And you can touch it. Institutions are irrelevant at this point. As soon as you come up with another institution, it's sucked into the same vortex, manipulated in another way, turned into just what it's always been."
He said, "For the last 20 years I have been endeavoring to truly be in the world but not of the world. But I'm horribly of the world and I screw up," according to Radix magazine. He added, "We are Christians because we are redeemed. People like myself, Bruce Cockburn, Bono and Bob Dylan have tried to bring love and perspective and Christ to people who can't hear Jerry Falwell..."
Every moment touches eternity, okay, we have no conflict there, that's it in a nutshell. Live in the light of eternity, and refuse to be sucked into the vortex. Sounds like me and T-Bone are on the same side in this.
JimK
Thanks for the website link, Jim. I don't think I'd seen that site before. Some interesting articles.
"The guy is on a spiritual path, he's looking for the light."
Actually, I think you misinterpret a little. I think he's saying the light has found him.
"Every moment touches eternity, okay, we have no conflict there, that's it in a nutshell. Live in the light of eternity, and refuse to be sucked into the vortex. Sounds like me and T-Bone are on the same side in this."
I'm on that side too. I think institutions tend to become corrupt and focused on the wrong things. I wouldn't forsake them, however. Individuals become corrupt too. It just proves that the biblical view of man's sinful nature is correct.
Of those other Christian artists he mentioned, I hope you've checked out Bruce Cockburn. He a born-again believer in a risen Christ with some real leftist leanings. You can indeed be a believer in a living Jesus, anticipating his return, and still be all over the political spectrum.
I actually talked to him at a concert at the Wax Museum back in 1984. At that concert, which had happened the same night as a George Bush- Geraldine Feraro debate, he dedicated his song, "The Trouble with Normal is It Only Gets Worse" to George Bush Sr.
Hey, I hope you've also experienced Alison Krauss's many expressions of Christian belief on her records. My favorite is "Jesus, Help Me to Stand" from her "Everytime You Say Goodbye" album. She also recorded a whole album of praise songs with the Cox Sisters, a great Christian bluegrass group with a bunch of sisters who sound almost identical to Alison. Also, Alison's brilliant banjo player, Ron Block, is a very vocal evangelical whose solo records can be found in any Christian book store in the land.
Radix: Your band formed during the Bob Dylan Rolling Thunder tour. So my second question is, "Whatever happened to Bob Dylan?" There was the big brouhaha about his conversion, and all his secular fans were disappointed. Then they said, "Now he's Jewish again and everybody can relax."
Burnett: That whole thing from the beginning to the end was basically a media event. Someone gave me a tape of a show he did--I think in 1961 when he was 19 or 20 years old--at Carnegie Recital Hall. One of the things he said on the tape was, "I believe in the ten commandments. The first commandment, 'I am the Lord thy God,' is a great commandment. I believe that, as long as it's not the wrong people saying it," which, I think, is the same thing he was saying during the time when there was the big uproar about him.
In other words, I'd say the whole story of Bob Dylan is one man's search for God. The turns and the steps he takes to find God are his business. I think he went to a study group at the Vineyard, and it created a lot of excitement. But he had written a song in the sixties called "Sign on the Cross."
Radix: Noel Paul Stookey says that prior to his own conversion one thing that got him on that track (this was really early) was talking to Dylan backstage at some concert. Stookey was searching, and Dylan said to him, "Have you ever read the Bible? You should really read the Bible."
Burnett: I'm not going to get in to an argument with anyone about the relative merits of Judaism and Christianity, and what it means for a Jewish kid to be a Christian--I'm just not interested in that argument. If it is true that we have a personal relationship with God, then that's enough for me. I love Bob. There are all sorts of people in the evangelical church who are trying to be the "Christian Bob Dylan," to be the same thing that he was in 1964. They don't realize that what Bob Dylan was doing then was singing songs like "Masters of War." If someone wanted to be the Christian Bob Dylan now, he would sing "Ye Masters of Television Manipulation" to people, like Pat Robertson, who are promoting the "warfare state" in this country. I think that some Christians were hungering for a sort of legitimacy and tried to incorporate Bob Dylan into their own political agendas. He could never have been MORE politically opposed to everything they were attempting to use him for.
Radix: The Alpha Band wasn't your first band, was it? Weren't you some kind of child prodigy?
Burnett: No, but I did start when I was young. I had a studio when I was in high school. But I was really bad. That's what would distinguish me from a prodigy. But I did start young, yes. I've been producing records for 27 years now. That's pretty good, right?--without having a hit.
Radix: So you were in the music business as a young guy for quite a number of years prior to your conversion? Did your conversion affect the way you looked at the music business or show business?
Burnett: You know, I've been though several conversions in my life. I went to church my whole life. I don't know if CONVERSION is the right word for what happened to me.
Radix: I thought that when I interviewed you in 1978 you had just gone through a conversion.
Burnett: Maybe, but I remember very distinctly that when I was 11 years old, I was going to a boys' camp called the Ozark Mountain Boys' Camp, a baseball camp. We used to have speakers come up from the Fellowship of Christian Athletes. It was a Christian boys' camp, and I was the acolyte in church. They took us up on the side of the mountain and told us about God and said, "If you want to be saved, come forward and be saved"--that type of approach to the whole idea of conversion. I naturally wanted to be saved, so when I came home I told my mom I wanted to be confirmed. That's the way I related to it, being raised an Episcopalian. I went to Dallas and got confirmed. It was a period of very intense religious need in my life, and there was some sort of new connection with God at that point. That has happened two or three times in my life. When we met, I had just gone through another period like that. You see when I was 11, my needs were very different from when I was 28 or so. At different times in my life I met God from a different point of view. What was the question?
Radix: Did becoming a Christian change the way you look at the music business or show business?
Burnett: No, not really. If anything, I got a little lazy. I tried for a little while to become a gospel singer--for about 15 minutes. I went up to a church in Sacramento for a concert and they had me down on the floor casting demons out of me, because I sang a Beatles song: "All I've gotta do-oo-oo is call you on the phone and you'll coming running home." It's not very nefarious, but it sent shockwaves through the crowd and through the pastors that I was singing this Beatles song.
Radix: Because you were singing a secular song in a church?
Burnett: Yes. They thought that was profane.
Radix: But it wasn't a church service?
Burnett: No, it wasn't. Anyway, I realized pretty quickly that what they were pushing wasn't for me.
Radix: You might have been the "Christian Bob Dylan."
Burnett: Right. But there were so many of them already.
Radix: Something was going on, though, during those early years with the Vineyard. There were lots of conversions and all those musicians.
Burnett: I think something was going on, and it was a good thing. But it was only for a year or so. I didn't stay active there very long. It was about bringing people to church; it wasn't about living in community, really. I never got into that part of it. I never got into the idea--which I've since learned--that we can live a godly existence here on earth. The idea was that heaven wasn't something that happens when we die, but that heaven WAS here. Not something that we bring down to earth, like Calvin tried to do, like Pat Robertson's trying to do now--force the kingdom of God down on earth. But that there is now heaven and we can live in it--we will live in it. So it was exciting for a while to see all this stuff going on, but a lot of things never led anywhere. It was all built around one leader, and when he left, it evaporated. It's funny to see how some of the people who were part of that have now turned into incredibly right-wing dupes. They're falling right into line with nationalist/social- ist-type power needs.
What I believe now is that maybe they were fearful at the time. Maybe what they were about at the time was all fear. There's a tremendous amount of fear in the evangelical church.
I read an interesting book called _Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory_, a book by a Pentecostal preacher's son. It's written about the evangelical church, but it's not from a negative or positive point of view, just from an observational point of view. He visited different congregations and communities around the country and told stories about them. He made one observation: he believed that abortion became such a hot issue in the evangelical church for several reasons. First, it contradicted two main tenets of the evangelical church: that the United States is a Christian country, founded by Christians, which it's not and was not. That's a basic lie that's believed. Second, that a woman's place is in the home--so that if women returned to what they are supposed to be doing, we wouldn't have this problem at all. It's their fault.
And then, also, beginning way back with the Scopes "monkey trial" the evangelical church began to fell itself "disproved" scientifically. If the Scriptures were inerrant and if the world really did start with Adam and Eve--then suddenly in this culture everyone accepted evolution, and Christians were considered wrong by the country. The author brought up how the anti-abortion fundamentalists say that the most dangerous place in the world to be is in the womb. He believes--and this may be pop psychology-- that the evangelical church identifies with the fetus, and feels that IT is in danger of being aborted at any minute.
I think that the hallmark of conservativism in general--of fundamentalism, in particular--is fear. I think they're constantly manipulated out of fear.
Anon, I think there is a point here. TTF has a fight with the religious right, we don't want them taking over our community. And the religious right always wants to waa waa waa about how everybody hates Christianity, but clearly that's not the issue at all. I -- we -- don't have any complaint about Christianity or Christians. We don't like uptight bigots telling us what should be taught in the schools. Some uptight bigots wrap themselves in the cloth of the church, but it's not the cloth we oppose, it's the ugly attitudes of those people.
Here, you take a guy like this T-Bone Burnett, I got no beef with him. I like him, I'd like to have his career. He takes talented people and makes them sound good. He makes good music, he has great friends, he's aware of his own spiritual quest, what is there to dislike?
As for comments about Allison Krauss's gospel records, well... This little bluegrass band I am infatuated with, Valerie Smith and Liberty Pike, who we saw at the Birchmere last month or whenever, their last CD was all gospel. So what? I love them. My feeling is that singing about Jesus and singing about making love are exactly the same thing, if you do it right.
JimK
"Here, you take a guy like this T-Bone Burnett, I got no beef with him. I like him, I'd like to have his career."
Well, I like him too. Glad to hear that you still feel that way. Some of the things you say here sometimes make it seem that you think they whole idea of belief in a God that transcends our physical world is somehow wrong.
As far as the career, go for it.
"This little bluegrass band I am infatuated with, Valerie Smith and Liberty Pike, who we saw at the Birchmere last month or whenever, their last CD was all gospel."
Really? I'm going to have to check that out.
"My feeling is that singing about Jesus and singing about making love are exactly the same thing, if you do it right."
That's not necessarily a bad feeling. I remember reading a review of T-Bone Burnett's wife, Leslie Philips' records, "Recollection" and "The Turning" in the Post. The guy said it was remarkable how similar expression of love for God can be to expressions of love for a romantic partner. This has scriptural basis as well. A persistent metaphor in scripture is the idea that the Church is the bride of Christ.
BTW, you ever stream that station, KPIG, from out in Big Sur. It seems like the type of music you're into and there's no station like it around here.
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