Listen to This
Somebody sent me a link to a YouTube video. See it HERE. I don't hear anything there that we haven't heard in our county in the past three years.
People in the Citizens for a Responsible Whatever will hear this and ask, what's the problem? That's the problem.
People in the Citizens for a Responsible Whatever will hear this and ask, what's the problem? That's the problem.
posted by JimK at 2:11 PM
57 Comments:
Andrea- not anon
I read her statement yesterday. I suggest Michelle, Ruth ,Steina, Wyatt, Johnny and the other 12 pack up and move to Oklahoma. She is their kind of legislator- and the kind we will never see here in MC.
I say... let's just have all the haters move to Oklahoma and see what happens. That way, the rest of us sane people can just live the life that God wants us to live. One full of TRUTH, EQUALITY and FAIRNESS.
(of course, before that happens, I would want to get anyone out of OK who is sane and human)
Good news!
The Board of Elections has certified that, despite harassment by the androgynuts, CRG collected enough signatures to put the Freedom for Bathroom Owners referendum on the ballot.
All sides owe a debt of thanks to the brave and tireless volunteers from CRG. Despite the threats and insults, they carried on and now we will have an opportunity for the average citzens to vote on the anti-gender agenda.
Bravo!
This speaks for itself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rixkck8QnjY
Peace,
Cynthia
anonymous said, "Good news!"
Anonymous = Delusional disorder
Ted
She forgot to accuse us of eating babies.
Any what happens when MC votes "YES" to this Bill, AnonFreak? Are you still going to fight it with your hater-friends? It will become law and you'll be eating your words, once again.
How, you ask??? Well, the Bill will be worded correctly on the ballet and the anti-love CRC/G will have nothing to say about it.
Derrick,
What makes you think they're not going to run all sorts of adds for proposition that "educate" the public about how "mentally ill" people like me are? Not to mention all the pedophiles that will want to dress up like women to take advantage of the "facilities loophole."
Didn't they watch "To Catch a Predator"? I seem to recall a high school teacher, a politician, a naked guy, and a Rabbi caught in their sting operation, but interestingly, no guys in dresses.
Predators don't need bathroom laws to prey on our children, they have the internet, and Dateline can't be everywhere.
Peace,
Cynthia
Cynthia said...
"Not to mention all the pedophiles that will want to dress up like women to take advantage of the "facilities loophole.""
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But only after having thoroughly researched and dissected the anti-discrimination code for legal loopholes.
Everyone knows that the first thing on a child predator’s mind is legal loopholes.
Andrea- not anon
Unfortunately, after this is defeated by the knowing citizens of MC- just like the many parents who opted their kids in to the new curriculum(95-97%)- they will find another group of lawyers supported by bigots to claim something else is the issue. Having heard, in person, the lies told to get people to sign the petition and even with lies to make it more palatable, having gotten a very small % of MC voters to sign- this will not pass-not even close.
Oh, anon, I see Huckabee won the nomination- well, in your world, he did.
More good news for Anon:
Democrat Wins Hastert's Seat in Illinois
By DEANNA BELLANDI
CHICAGO (AP) — Nearly two years after taking control of Congress, the Democrats have claimed another prize by capturing former GOP House Speaker Dennis Hastert's seat — a development that Republicans say is not a harbinger of things to come.
The longtime Republican district fell to the Democrats Saturday when wealthy scientist and businessman Bill Foster snatched the seat in a closely watched special election.
While Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Chris Van Hollen predicted Foster's win would send out a "political shock wave," Republicans were quick to downplay its significance….
…Van Hollen said Foster's win is a rebuke of the Bush administration and the GOP's apparent presidential nominee, John McCain, who helped raise money for Oberweis.
"The message to Republican candidates is that John McCain's not going to be able to save you in this election," said Van Hollen, a Maryland congressman.
"Unfortunately, after this is defeated by the knowing citizens of MC- just like the many parents who opted their kids in to the new curriculum(95-97%)- they will find another group of lawyers supported by bigots to claim something else is the issue. Having heard, in person, the lies told to get people to sign the petition and even with lies to make it more palatable, having gotten a very small % of MC voters to sign- this will not pass-not even close."
Andrea is such a friend of pro-family forces. Always provides someway to brighten any day with humor.
Let's see (I'm forcing myself not to laugh here):
TTF's website has been obsessed with stopping this referendum. Their friend, an aide to the County Councilman, risked violating MC govermental ethical rules, TTF members buzzed around trying to harass petition-takers, they have spent time and money frantically searching through signatures, et al, et al.
All this to stop a referendum that they are sure will fail in the voting booth.
Why?
They obviously want to save CRG from embarassment.
They are so kind.
Who wouldn't be touched by their self-scarifice for their fellow man?
Ah yes, so typical of anonymous and ilk. Pick and choose what comments to respond to, ignore the rest, and then claim victory.
Well anon, you win your hollow victory, I'll give you that much.
Take a breath, guys. They've hired the Alliance Defense Fund.
Must be a reason. Maybe knowing how they collected the signatures, they recognize they will have to fight to have them considered valid by the courts.
They've hired the Alliance Defense Fund."
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A virtual admission that they NEED to twist the facts.
Notice that Jim's not saying "yay for the press today. The Post has a very prominent story today about the referendum being certified by the BOE. It mentions all sides and is careful to qualify remarks by the County Council as allegations.
Most ominous for TTF is that there was a mention of the topic they most fear: lack of a religious exemption in the bill. TTF has tried desperately to keep the focus on the bathroom issue. The religious angle will sink this bill and win the referendum.
Let's not obscure the fact that the voter-phobes want to win by ending the conversation rather than argument. They know that a full public discussion of this bill will send voters to the booth. Not a good sign for the Council. New voters that are there to defeat a council-passed bill will be unlikely to be supporting incumbents or the apple ballot. This may change everything.
OOPS! Didn't think of that.
Good work, Dana and Duchy.
Anon, the board has certified the signatures, that's news, and I don't have any problem with the media quoting people and reporting what has been said. There is a lot of stuff going on right now, that story has already been covered, I didn't see a reason to post it again here. The media have been really good with this, there's no problem if they report what is being said.
JimK
OMG...today's word of the day is: "voter-phobes" Who is the brilliant comedian in CRG who keeps coming up with these gems? Perhaps CRG could make some money by publishing a new lexicon of made-up and idiotic phrases. But then, with only the 7 or 8 CRG/C members buying them, there is no profit there.
Diogenes
Thank you, Wyatt. Every day that goes by shows you to be incompetent in some new field. First it was religion, then biology, and yesterday it was arithmetic and English. You're erudition is just dazzling.
History of Alliance Defense Fund:
"Responding to the urgent need for the legal defense and advocacy of religious freedom, the leaders of more than 35 ministries came together in 1994 to launch ADF. These leaders included the late Dr. Bill Bright, the late Larry Burkett, Dr. James Dobson, the late Dr. D. James Kennedy, and the late Marlin Maddoux. Their prime concern was the dramatic loss of religious freedom in America's courts and the resulting challenges to people of faith to live and proclaim the Gospel."
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Learn more about the ADF Founders here.
And a list of their very very very, anti- anti- anti-gay milestones, from 1994 to 2006, here.
And finally, Pepto Bismol has its own website here.
"Every day that goes by shows you to be incompetent in some new field. First it was religion, then biology, and yesterday it was arithmetic and English. You're erudition is just dazzling."
Well, I know that you haven't got a PhD in any of those fields, Dana, but let's make a law that everyone has to pretend you do.
"There is a lot of stuff going on right now, that story has already been covered, I didn't see a reason to post it again here."
Oh, I agree, Jim. I guess I just thought it was an interesting contrast to a few weeks ago when basically the same story was posted about basically the same information about ten times by you.
The new thing, to me, is that the latest story is now exploring other aspects of the impact of the legislation other than just the bathroom issue.
I wonder if voter-phobes are a category of mental illness listed by the APA.
No Anon, but the DSM has your number:
Personality Disorders are mental illnesses that share several unique qualities. They contain symptoms that are enduring and play a major role in most, if not all, aspects of the person's life. While many disorders vacillate in terms of symptom presence and intensity, personality disorders typically remain relatively constant.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder
...Symptoms
The symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder revolve around a pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and sense of entitlement. Often individuals feel overly important and will exaggerate achievements and will accept, and often demand, praise and admiration despite worthy achievements. They may be overwhelmed with fantasies involving unlimited success, power, love, or beauty and feel that they can only be understood by others who are, like them, superior in some aspect of life.
There is a sense of entitlement, of being more deserving than others based solely on their superiority. These symptoms, however, are a result of an underlying sense of inferiority and are often seen as overcompensation. Because of this, they are often envious and even angry of others who have more, receive more respect or attention, or otherwise steal away the spotlight.
Treatment
Treatment for this disorder is very rarely sought. There is a limited amount of insight into the symptoms, and the negative consequences are often blamed on society. In this sense, treatment options are limited. Some research has found long term insight oriented therapy to be effective, but getting the individual to commit to this treatment is a major obstacle.
Prognosis
Prognosis is limited and based mainly on the individual's ability to recognize their underlying inferiority and decreased sense of self worth. With insight and long term therapy, the symptoms can be reduced in both number and intensity.
Well, TTFrisk, that's the modern self-esteem movement for you. Narcissism is as ubiquitous as the common cold and, thus, an easy charge to make. Indeed, those who recognize it in others are probably the worst sufferers. Really, though, does it threaten you so much if someone doesn't recognize their lack of self-worth?
Voter-phobia, however, the tendency to fear and try to avoid having your views voted on by citizens, and gender-phobia, the fear that society will recognize gender differences, seem to be much worse because they will be so difficult to maintain, in the long run. Those with these fears are headed for some real problems.
Yes, Wyatt, I don't have a Ph.D. in arithmetic. I admit it. However, I know how to count.
As for your neologistic talents -- we now have "voterphobes," "androgynuts," and "anti-gender." Very colorful. I would guess we're all honored.
Anon said: “and gender-phobia, the fear that society will recognize gender differences.”
There seems to be some confusion about the situation here. I have absolutely no fear of society recognizing gender differences. In fact, I DEPEND on that in my daily life – and the fact that most people aren’t asking me very personal questions about my genitalia when they meet me.
One could argue that my long curly hair and facial surgery go a long way to give society the clues it needs to treat me as a woman. However, this help would be quite ephemeral if I behaved like “a guy in a dress.” But that’s not the way I am; and I don’t think my girlfriends are inviting me to their baby and bridal showers out of pity or the novelty factor.
Perhaps by gender-phobia you’re referring to the women at my Wal-Mart who I’d really like to see take a razor to that thing on their upper lips. Not sure, perhaps you can explain it better.
Peace,
Cynthia
Cynthia, I have some questions to ask you about your transition, could you please send me an email to priya dot lynn at sasktel dot net
TTF has tried desperately to keep the focus on the bathroom issue.
Did they really just say that?
This tells me that the 17 CRWhatever people have suddenly realized that the evidence is overwhelming that they and their highly trained volunteers lied to a great many people about the law. Not nice. Not legal, either.
Now they want to switch attention away from the 24 hour Toilet Channel to something else. The problem is that a change in their focus won't change the manner in which they collected signatures. What's done is done.
oh, AnonFreak.
Thanks for making me laugh :) I needed it on a Monday!
"This tells me that the 17 CRWhatever people have suddenly realized that the evidence is overwhelming that they and their highly trained volunteers lied to a great many people about the law. Not nice. Not legal, either."
The bathroom issue is legitimate, despite the dissembling of TTF. It's just that it's not the only issue. It's the focus that TTF would prefer to stay on because it's easier to ridicule.
"Now they want to switch attention away from the 24 hour Toilet Channel to something else. The problem is that a change in their focus won't change the manner in which they collected signatures. What's done is done."
The public will be voting on the whole bill. There are other problems and they ned to be discussed. Too bad for Dana and Duchy.
Even if it were true that "the bathroom issue is legitimate," that is not equivalent to making statements like this one: "This new law creates unisex bathrooms."
That statement is flatly untrue, and your response indicates that you know it is flatly untrue.
Too bad for CRWhatever. You could have approached voters with the merits of your argument instead - such as they are.
Actually, David, if the bill goes into effect, which is doubtful, what would happen is that most establishment would simply make all their bathrooms unisex and allow one person to use them at a time. This would help them get around any potential liability.
More inconvenience for everyone.
Here's some West coast sanity:
"Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has called for the reversal of a recent appellate court decision banning parents from educating their children at home if they lack teaching credentials, the Los Angeles Times reported. If the state Supreme Court fails to act, the governor vowed to push through legislation guaranteeing families' right to home-school.
"This outrageous ruling must be overturned by the courts, and if the courts don't protect parents' rights, then, as elected officials, we will," he said in a written statement.
Schwarzenegger's comments about the 2nd District Court of Appeals ruling came as home schooling families and national conservative leaders expressed their beliefs that every parent has a fundamental right to home-school."
Here's some sanity on the East coast:
"Voters in Montgomery County, Md., will get to decide if gender confusion warrants special rights, thanks to a petition organized by the Maryland Citizens for a Responsible Government.
The petition opposes the newly passed gender-identity bill, which provides special privileges to people with gender-identity confusion — including access to restrooms and locker rooms. The privacy and safety of the county’s 500,000 women and children could be at risk. The law is on hold until the November vote.
Maryland Citizens for a Responsible Government collected 32,000 signatures to let voters decide the issue, more than the 25,001 required.
Jeff Johnston, gender issues analyst for Focus on the Family, applauded the grassroots effort.
“For the county to mandate that businesses and individuals accommodate gender confusion is to cooperate with deep-seated spiritual and psychological brokenness,” he said. “While we have care and concern for those who are at war with their God-given gender, it is wrong for the county to encourage those individuals in their brokenness.”"
Keep talking Anonymous...the more you do so the more it becomes obvious that there is nothing more than a "hidden" religious agenda at work here. Focus on the Family? Aren't they the folks who believe that this is a Christian nation? You are just too cowardly to expose your religious agenda for what it is...a blatant attempt to impose your so-called "Christian" "morality" on everyone. I am waiting for your statements that the Bible tells us to abhor transgenders and, in fact, anybody who dares to be different from you. Nobody in their right mind is going to buy that argument.
You forget that CRG and Focus on the Family is not trying to impose a law on everyone else. Dana and Duchy are.
FOTF simply stated the perspective of Christians. They're allowed to participate in our democracy too.
And they aren't voter-phobes. TTF is.
Wyatt, thank you for admitting that FOTF represent "Christians." Not one extreme group of Christians, not one sect, or denomination, or subgroup -- just "Christians." I have many neighbors who would disagree with your characterization of them as bigots, but you do present a useful simplification.
Anonymous: You not so adroitly avoided the issue raised about the "stealth" religious campaign you are engaged in. Be honest for a change...admit that you are planning on exposing "anti-religious" attacks that you find hidden somewhere in the nondiscrimination legislation (although in a previous posting you did play your hand when you said: "Most ominous for TTF is that there was a mention of the topic they most fear: lack of a religious exemption in the bill. TTF has tried desperately to keep the focus on the bathroom issue. The religious angle will sink this bill and win the referendum."
There is absolutely no reason why any religious organization should be exempt from the law when they engage in discrimination and violation of the civil and human rights of individuals. We do not live in a theocracy, despite your deep-seated wish that we did.
On what basis do you assume that the intelligent citizens of Montgomery County are going to buy into your "oh, look at us; (sniff, sniff)... we are being attacked by those horrid transgenders and their evil cohorts because of our beliefs" argument? They will see your campaign for what it clearly is: an attempt to impose your minority religious views on the citizens of this county.
"I have many neighbors who would disagree with your characterization of them as bigots,"
I didn't characterize them as such, WMD. Don't project your misunderstanding on others.
You do, by associating your religious beliefs with those held and promulgated by CRG, FOTF, CWA, TVC, etc. You can run from it all you want, but to no avail. The resistance by other Christians nationally to this form of political Christianity is in full swing, and explains your desperation.
I was born, baptized, and raised a Catholic, including going to Catholic grade school and high school. As child, praying each night to God, I asked him to watch over and bless my family, my friends, and my teachers. I also prayed that (s)he would let me wake up as a girl.
Thank the Lord, for one day I did indeed wake up from the nightmare of boy parts, a boy’s life, and trying to grow up and live as a “man.” I was in my mid 30’s before my prayers were answered. Perhaps (s)he was busy with other things.
Peace,
Cynthia
AnonFreak- good morning! Did you finally wake up with some common sense?
"You do, by associating your religious beliefs with those held and promulgated by CRG, FOTF, CWA, TVC, etc."
I know enough to say that I think I have the same core religious beliefs as most of those involved with FOTF. CRG comprises a number of people with varying religious beliefs and I don't associate my self with them. I don't generally disagree with CWA but I don't know enough about their beliefs to say if I agree with them. Don't know anything about TVC, although I don't really like their style.
"You can run from it all you want, but to no avail. The resistance by other Christians nationally to this form of political Christianity is in full swing,"
Only thing that is in full swing is that the media has discovered that evangelical Christians, outside of their core beliefs, have a greater open-mindedness and diversity of views than the general public. It's always been that way.
"and explains your desperation."
Could you tell me more about my deperation? I was unaware of it.
Obviously!
Nobody's attacking evangelical Christians as a group. Long ago I was made aware of the differentiations under that umbrella, and I've respected them (though I find the concept of promoting proselytization very annoying and intolerant). I don't think you'll find me using the term "evangelical" anymore as a result. I prefer "fundamentalist," or "Christianist," which is the term for right-wing extremist political Christianity, the type espoused by FOTF, CWA, TVC . . .
That you prefer one style of the other of these organizations is irrelevant; that you agree with their positions and religious interpretations is what is at issue.
"This tells me that the 17 CRWhatever people have suddenly realized that the evidence is overwhelming that they and their highly trained volunteers lied to a great many people about the law. Not nice. Not legal, either."
Hog Wash- prove it.
Prove that you're a human being with a heart, AnonFreak.
There is a legal process to be followed, Anon, and, no, you can't be anonymous in court or at a deposition.
"Hog Wash- prove it."
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Has been proven again and again and again.
Yet you refuse to address or condemn the lies.
Or are you a new anonymous who didn't feel it necessary to educate yourself first?
The "lies" of CRG are that they have a different opinion about how this bill will affect the county.
TTF, on the other hand, tells straight up lies like the one an aide to a county councilman told petitioner in front of a local Giant about the legality of the petition process.
Hypocrisy. It's a liberal trait. From Clinton to Spitzer to infinity and beyond!
"The "lies" of CRG are that they have a different opinion about how this bill will affect the county."
“different opinion” = beliefs
Anyone can believe anything, to state it as fact, is a lie.
Wyatt,
You really do grasp at straws, don't you? You have no response to the scientific comments, so you segue to "a different opinion as to how this will affect the county." Supposedly, as you all have claimed, you've read the law and the packets from the Council, so you know nothing you claim will happen here (again, because you all know so well the minds of pedophiles) has ever happened in any of the other jurisdictions comprising nearly half the U.S. population. Yet you KNOW it will just happen here.
That's not an opinion, it's fear-mongering.
Then you bring up Eliot Spitzer, you of the party of Diaper Dave Vitter, Wide Stance Larry Craig, et al, and accuse a Councilmember of lying to your poor circulators. I'm sorry I missed that incident -- it must have been very funny, telling the CM that there had never been hearings when he had actually participated in them. We liberals call that "egg on the face."
Anon
Go ahead and bring up your "religious exceptions." Jim Crow and slavery were excused as "religious" beliefs; all those anti-miscegenation laws were based on "God's Law". Point up--if society decides that discrimination based on a characteristic is illegal, people who claim to be religious bigots can't claim an exception. You can't even claim a religious exception to discriminate on the basis of religions (i.e. Baptist churches can't refuse to hire muslim organ players).
You give religion such a bad name. I've never read anything you've written that I would classify as even vaguely religious; all that I've seen you claim as religion is simply bald bigotry.
What are your "core religious beliefs?"
rrjr
Sally Kern said...
"As a Christian I love homosexuals," says Rep. Kern. "I love everybody. God loves everybody."
She loves us. She reeeely loves us!
Bigots like Kern are such a joke. Obviously she doesn't love gays, she says they're worse than terrorists and she knows better than to try to convince people she loves terrorists. The "love" excuse is just a cheap excuse for hate-mongering.
Kern has a son who is gay and it has been reported she disowned him.
Ted
Oh that explains it, Kern has a gay son, just like Regina Griggs of PFOX. Why do these parents work so hard to undermine their own children? Probably for the same reason parents of teens sometimes send their gay and lesbian kids off to reparative therapy even though it is known to be dangerous: their own homophobia. They believe homosexuality is wrong and based on their beliefs, they wish to force their gay kids straight, which is known to be harmful to some kids' well-being.
Should parents be allowed to harm their own children based on their own beliefs? Is that their "right?" Not according to the US Supreme Court who decided Parents may be free to become martyrs themselves. But it does not follow they are free, in identical circumstances, to make martyrs of their children before they have reached the age of full and legal discretion when they can make that choice for themselves. Reparative therapy should not be forced on teens by parents.
MCPS Mom
Andrea- not anon
Is she related to Tres(I hate that Gay pornography- want to see my collection) Kern???
Exactly Priya, imagine how this statement would have gone over:
"As a Christian I love terrorists," says Rep. Kern. "I love everybody. God loves everybody."
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