WCTU Leader Outraged by Foreigner at Kohls, Blames New Law
A local leader of the Women's Christian Temperance Union -- who is also a founding member of the Citizens for Responsible Whatever -- sent an email to every member of the Montgomery County Council to complain about something that happened at Kohls. Here's the letter:
This email was sent to Valerie Ervin, Duchy Trachtenberg, Mike Knapp, Don Praisner, Roger Berliner, Phil Andrews, George Leventhal, and Nancy Floreen, plus a CC to Peter Labarbera, who is also known as Porno Pete and is the founder of Americans for Truth About Homosexuality.
So -- a foreign guy went into the ladies fitting room with his wife and baby. That's the story.
The letter writer, Bunny Galladora, hints that this is supposed to have something to do with our county's new nondiscrimination law. The guy wasn't dressed as a woman or claiming to be transgender, he was speaking a foreign language and maybe comes from a less puritanical country than ours, where men help their wives pick out clothes and watch the kid. As long as he isn't leering at the women, exposing himself, or molesting anyone, there is no law -- and never has been a law -- against him being there. It's considered bad form in our society, but this man was obviously from somewhere else, I'm guessing he didn't know what the norm is here.
It would have been perfectly appropriate for another customer to ask the man to wait outside, or for a store employee to ask him to leave the fitting room. Really, it's not that hard to say what you mean. He wasn't breaking any law, but the store can certainly have the last word about who goes into what fitting room.
The WCTU lady says she was uneasy saying something to the store employee "with the new law having been passed." Was she afraid somehow that she was going to accidentally discriminate against someone on the basis of gender identity? If there was something unusual about the man's gender identity you would think she'd mention it.
Let's see how quickly Channel Seven gets this "challenge to the new law" on the air.
And to think, they don't like it when we call them "nuts."
Council Members,
Well, it happened to my 20 yr. old daughter and myself at Kohl's yesterday evening, Nov. 9, 2008.
I was in the FITTING room in the front of the store in the female petite section of the Kohl's in Rockville. I was shocked as I left the cubical to check the mirror STILL INSIDE THE FITTING ROOM to find a man standing there.
Thankfully, I was fully dressed, however, who hasn't upon occasion, checked a fit half-dressed and seen other women doing the same?
The white male who looked to be about 30 yrs. of age was waring thick glasses with a silver frame. He was speaking a foreign language to someone else (maybe his wife?) who was in a cubical. He had a small child in a stroller with him.
I believed it to be useless to confront him with a language barrier so, if looks could kill, he would have died on the spot.
I approached a male Kohl's employee who looked to be about 25 years of age seemed very concerned about the safety of customers and wanted to confront the man but at that time, we did not see him.
A short time later, I met my daughter (20 yrs old) in the bra section of the store. I told her what had happened. She said, she was trying on bras in the fitting room located in that section of the store and a man fitting the same description was in that fitting room with her.
HONESTLY, can we just have some privacy for ourselves and our daughters?
I actually felt "uneasy" approaching the Kohl's employee to complain with the new law having been passed.
Bunny
This email was sent to Valerie Ervin, Duchy Trachtenberg, Mike Knapp, Don Praisner, Roger Berliner, Phil Andrews, George Leventhal, and Nancy Floreen, plus a CC to Peter Labarbera, who is also known as Porno Pete and is the founder of Americans for Truth About Homosexuality.
So -- a foreign guy went into the ladies fitting room with his wife and baby. That's the story.
The letter writer, Bunny Galladora, hints that this is supposed to have something to do with our county's new nondiscrimination law. The guy wasn't dressed as a woman or claiming to be transgender, he was speaking a foreign language and maybe comes from a less puritanical country than ours, where men help their wives pick out clothes and watch the kid. As long as he isn't leering at the women, exposing himself, or molesting anyone, there is no law -- and never has been a law -- against him being there. It's considered bad form in our society, but this man was obviously from somewhere else, I'm guessing he didn't know what the norm is here.
It would have been perfectly appropriate for another customer to ask the man to wait outside, or for a store employee to ask him to leave the fitting room. Really, it's not that hard to say what you mean. He wasn't breaking any law, but the store can certainly have the last word about who goes into what fitting room.
The WCTU lady says she was uneasy saying something to the store employee "with the new law having been passed." Was she afraid somehow that she was going to accidentally discriminate against someone on the basis of gender identity? If there was something unusual about the man's gender identity you would think she'd mention it.
Let's see how quickly Channel Seven gets this "challenge to the new law" on the air.
And to think, they don't like it when we call them "nuts."
posted by JimK at 6:20 PM
44 Comments:
Andrea-not anon
I do not understand. The fitting room has separate closed cubicles with mirrors. The man wasn't in her cubicle but even so why didn't this woman ask an employee to ask the man to leave? Why not complain to a Kohl's service manager? Why would you write to the County Council about it? When I got crappy service at a certain Starbucks, I contacted Starbucks- not the County Counci
Out of curiousity, how many e-mails do councilmembers get a month and how does TTF have access to these e-mails?
Councilmembers get hundreds and hundreds of emails a month, depending on the issues du jour, and anyone can have access to them -- they're not privileged. CRW ordered all the documentation related to 23-07 earlier this year.
See, Anon, Montgomery County is not the Bush administration. Our elected officials don't hide out in undisclosed locations. They even attend Town Halls where your friends can embarrass themselves in public and on camera.
Bunny seems a bit wacky. Perhaps he, the international (foreigner is now a bigoted term, get with it!!)was from a country where fitting rooms are shared and unisex(this is very common in Europe, for example--as well as here in Mexico..and in Chile... and in France...).
Perhaps it was a cultural difference. Trust me, I am going through a lot of these myself being here in Mexico; I lived in Spain for three years and Chile for five years, but there are many differences between these countries that I still notice, let alone those of the USA.
Perhaps "Bunny" should do some life research first before she sends off a bigoted message to county employees that only proves her views are wrong (A surprise? I think not!).
Before you know it "Bunny" will be upset that people speak other languages around her!
I guess that will be sad for us foreign language teachers. NOT!
I hope Bunny doesn't shop at Old Navy or Hollister. The fitting rooms are unisex and my family does quite fine in them. What I love is when I am at Kohl's with my son, there are lots of moms going in and out of the dressing room to check on their sons of all ages. Nobody bats an eye.
Someone needs to clarify this and put a kibosh on it. If not, I bet it will be a religious right anecdote on how anti-discrimination laws can put women and children in harm's way.
"Councilmembers get hundreds and hundreds of emails a month, depending on the issues du jour, and anyone can have access to them -- they're not privileged. CRW ordered all the documentation related to 23-07 earlier this year."
I see. There's some public forum where people can post e-mails to councilmembers.
And out of hundreds and hundreds, this one is so disturbing that we need a public discussion of it? Why? Is there any indication that the Council will act on it in any way?
Or does TTF just scan them for any message from anyone in CRG?
"See, Anon, Montgomery County is not the Bush administration. Our elected officials don't hide out in undisclosed locations."
Hmmm...so private e-mails are the equivalent of "hiding out"? I hope you won't be a hypocrite and tell us your screen name and password so we can read yours.
Come to think of it, what problem is there with an official being moved to an undisclosed location for security reasons?
"They even attend Town Halls where your friends can embarrass themselves in public and on camera."
Actually, they usually say they are going to come and then don't show.
Go to the County Council website. Click on the "Contact the Council" link. on the contact page, near the top of the page, you will find this message:
All correspondence addressed to the Council President, including e-mail messages, is shared with other Councilmembers and appropriate staff. All correspondence sent to the Council President and other Councilmembers becomes a part of the public record.
Emails to the council are not private; not yours and not mine and not Bunny's.
Nevermind what they do in other countries. In America, fitting rooms in women's stores and women's departments are for women only.
We want it that way. Got it?
Whoa, tough guy.
So, how would you have dealt with this situation? Besides calling in either the DAR or the WCTU.
Which "America" are you talking about, AnonBigot?
Chile is America... Canada is America... Mexico is part of North America. Please be more specific for us current-day, evolved and educated thinkers.
“Thankfully, I was fully dressed, however, who hasn't upon occasion, checked a fit half-dressed and seen other women doing the same?
The white male who looked to be about 30 yrs. of age was waring thick glasses with a silver frame. He was speaking a foreign language to someone else (maybe his wife?) who was in a cubical. He had a small child in a stroller with him.”
Yes indeed Bunny. Who among us hasn’t potentially exposed themselves to a foreigner and his small child, assumed they didn’t know any English, and then complained - via email - to all members of the County Council and one head of the Anti-Gay Industry?
I feel so out of touch.
"Nevermind what they do in other countries. In America, fitting rooms in women's stores and women's departments are for women only.
We want it that way. Got it?"
Oh we "get it," but I thought your tag line was "Watch out!"
Experimenting, Theresa?
Bunny wrote:
“He was speaking a foreign language to someone else (maybe his wife?) who was in a cubical. He had a small child in a stroller with him.
I believed it to be useless to confront him with a language barrier so, if looks could kill, he would have died on the spot.”
This is Montgomery County MD. There are people speaking foreign languages where I work (Farsi, Hindi, Chinese, Spanish, and probably a few others – there’s about 2 dozen people in our office), and every place I go to lunch in Germantown. I find it odd that someone would assume a foreigner here automatically has a “language barrier.” Most, but admittedly not all of the foreign language speakers I know here also speak English, or at least enough to “get by.”
I went to En Café Asian Bistro in Germantown last week – one of my usual haunts for sushi and good chicken with yakisoba noodles – they serve a tasty mix of Japanese and Chinese food. Two young ladies walked in speaking a language that sounded a bit like Spanish, but not quite – I can usually recognize that. It turns out they were from Brazil (was it Portuguese? Perhaps Derrick would know?) One of them was an old friend with one of the waitresses – a woman from Tailand if I remember correctly. None of them had any problem communicating in English.
“if looks could kill, he would have died on the spot”
Why such a violent reaction to someone who probably just wasn’t aware of the customs? Or is it “shoot dirty looks first and complain to authorities later?” He was probably wondering why this woman was so angry – did she not find the right color dress?
Why not at least TRY some English with him? If that doesn’t work, how about some “shooing” motions with the hands? It very well could have saved other customers embarrassment and perhaps spared him some trouble later on, had someone taken a minute to acquaint him with our customs here.
Guten Tag,
Cynthia
Oh, for crying out loud. What a tempest in a teapot! It appears that the loonies at CRG are trying to create an incident to prove their contention that 23-07 is resulting in the catastrophe they predicted...run for the hills! You, your wife, your daughters are not safe at Kohl's. (and also in your own homes!!! yikes) Perhaps they are laying the groundwork for a new lawsuit...another loser. How bogus is this?
Diogenes
Language barrier?
Perhaps there's an argument for Esperanto after all!
Check http://www.lernu.net for evidence.
"Why such a violent reaction to someone who probably just wasn’t aware of the customs?"
I missed it. When did someone have a violent reaction?
I know lunatic fringe gay advocates believe disagreeing with them is an act of violence. Could it be that looking at someone in a disapproving way is also now considered an act of violence by them?
This is what happens when people develop delusions of victimization.
"Oh, for crying out loud. What a tempest in a teapot!"
Oh yeah, sending an e-mail to a councilmember.
What a tempest!
Tempest. Violence. Marriage.
Is any word in the English language safe from redefinition from the gay agenda?
What do you think, guys?
"WASHINGTON (Nov. 11) - A Republican congressman from Georgia said Monday he fears that President-elect Obama will establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist dictatorship.
"It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he's the one who proposed this national security force," Rep. Paul Broun said of Obama in an interview Monday with The Associated Press. "I'm just trying to bring attention to the fact that we may — may not, I hope not — but we may have a problem with that type of philosophy of radical socialism or Marxism."
Broun cited a July speech by Obama that has circulated on the Internet in which the then-Democratic presidential candidate called for a civilian force to take some of the national security burden off the military.
"That's exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it's exactly what the Soviet Union did," Broun said. "When he's proposing to have a national security force that's answering to him, that is as strong as the U.S. military, he's showing me signs of being Marxist."
Obama's comments about a national security force came during a speech in Colorado in which he called for expanding the nation's foreign service.
"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said in July. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
The Obama transition team declined to comment on Broun's remarks.
Broun said he believes Obama would move to ban gun ownership if he does build a national security force.
Obama has said he respects the Second Amendment right to bear arms and favors "common sense" gun laws. Gun rights advocates interpret that as meaning he'll at least enact curbs on ownership of assault weapons and concealed weapons. As an Illinois state lawmaker, Obama supported a ban on semiautomatic weapons and tighter restrictions on firearms generally.
"We can't be lulled into complacency," Broun said. "You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany. I'm not comparing him to Adolf Hitler. What I'm saying is there is the potential of going down that road.""
Andrea-not anon
Jim, do we have to have Anon's extremist right wing political crap here? Doesn't it know about Free Republic, Pajamas Media and Little Green Footballs- the homes of right wing extremists?
Andrea, the TTF blog is one of the very few places where people like them and people like us talk to each other.
To me it is worthwhile to allow people like Anon to express themselves, if only to remind us that we have to stay awake and remain vigilant.
JimK
I didn't express any opinion about the story, Andrea. I posted the remarks of a U.S. Congressman and asked what you guys think.
You guys have regularly criticized the Bush administration for its security measures. Do you have an opinion on Obama's proposal for a national security force "as strong as the military"?
I agree with Keith Olbermann who just named Congressman Paul Broun The Worst Person In The World!
Obama: The Next Great Dictator?
By David Knowles
Nov 11th 2008 9:00AM
If you're a die-hard Republican--the kind who John McCain, in the final throes of the campaign, implored to fight, fight fight--then you may have perked up a bit at recent news. You see, though your party has just suffered an historic defeat to a very progressive Democrat, a new line of Barack-Obama-attack has suddenly emerged. This rallying cry, dreamed up in the bunkers of Republican thought as the blue state bombs rained down, is startling in its simplicity. It is based, yet again, on a guilt-by-association premise, and is a natural evolution, of sorts. You see, Obama's detractors tried "Obama is a terrorist." Didn't work. Then they tried "Obama is a communist." Again, this stirred nobody except the dead-end base. So, why not try the ultimate scare tactic: "Obama is a fascist." Well, to the cheers of right wing websites, that's exactly what Georgia congressman Paul Broun did yesterday. To hear him tell it, Obama very well might turn out to be the next Adolf Hitler.
For Broun (not to be confused with Eva Braun), the sure sign that our president-elect is secretly hellbent on exterminating 6 million Jews and annexing Mexico and Canada (for starters), is that Obama, like George W. Bush before him, advocates the creation of a civilian defense force. That suggestion can be traced to two lines in a single Obama speech. How's that for feasting on crumbs? So, are you ready? Here's the unforgivable, goose-stepping, spine-chilling proof that Hitler and Obama are peas in a pod:
"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
Apparently, after scouring YouTube for any whiff of Hitler-esque material, Broun and his ilk have decided to run with this:
"That's exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it's exactly what the Soviet Union did," Broun said. "When he's proposing to have a national security force that's answering to him, that is as strong as the U.S. military, he's showing me signs of being a Marxist."
Strange that Broun can't seem to keep his -ists straight. You met one -ist you've met them all, I guess.
Mind you, there's nothing wrong with being vigilant against the oppressive rise of government, per se. But Broun's line of argument is really less about safe-guarding the public against tyranny than tearing down a political opponent. He gives it away all too easily when protesting he's doing exactly the thing he's doing:
"We can't be lulled into complacency," Broun said. "You have to remember that Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany. I'm not comparing him [Obama] to Adolf HItler. What I'm saying is there is the potential of going down that road."
By that same logic, Obama might turn out to embrace Ronald Reagan-style deregulation capitalism seeing as he spoke kindly about the Gipper during the campaign.
Let's face it, when, by way of comparison, you bring up Hitler and the Nazis, you're sinking pretty low. But let's suppose for a moment that Obama will prevail in establishing a civilian defense force. Does that mean he'll terrorize Jews, burn books, execute homosexuals and communists (warring -ists, no less)? Hell, maybe Obama, who so many backwater Republicans claim to be the "real racist", would ban those of impure bloodlines from attaining higher office.
And then again, maybe, just maybe Broun should get out of the bunker, breathe some fresh air and feel the warmth of the sun on his skin. It's going to be a long four years, otherwise.
"But let's suppose for a moment that Obama will prevail in establishing a civilian defense force. Does that mean he'll terrorize Jews, burn books, execute homosexuals and communists (warring -ists, no less)?"
You could say the same about Bush's warrantless phone taps. Just doing it doesn't mean he'll abuse it.
Anonymous Asked:
“Why such a violent reaction to someone who probably just wasn’t aware of the customs?"
I missed it. When did someone have a violent reaction?”
I will point out again, Bunny’s own words:
“I believed it to be useless to confront him with a language barrier so, if looks could kill, he would have died on the spot.”
I consider wanting someone dead a “violent reaction.” I consider it WAY out of proportion to the incident noted. I could understand the feeling if she had been harassed or something had actually happened to her, but according to her own account, it didn’t. Was it the fact that he was a foreigner that incited this feeling? Or something else? Why would you wish the father of the child in the stroller dead? What ever happened to “pro-family?”
Even if I were in a similar situation and that is what I had felt at the time, I wouldn’t have expressed to anyone else that I wanted to someone dead “on the spot.” I certainly wouldn’t have written a public letter to the county council with such a violent sentiment. I find that kind of language entirely inappropriate given the circumstances. As much as I disagree and argue with Annoying Anonymi here, and I write prolifically dissecting their specious arguments, I’m pretty sure I’ve never expressed such a violent wish towards any of them. That would be entirely inappropriate, no matter how much I dislike and disagree with them.
You may disagree with my use of the term “violent reaction” in that no physical act was involved. I have reactions to movies or television that don’t involve any physical actions, -- only emotional reactions. That doesn’t make them any less a reaction. It’s hard to imagine and adjective that describes wanting someone dead that doesn’t connote some kind of violence. I’m not a thesaurus though… perhaps you have a more appropriate phrase?
Peace,
Cynthia
Keith Olbermann said is best:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnHyy8gkNEE
"perhaps you have a more appropriate phrase?"
how about "banal metaphor"?
Cynthia, your response above leads me to believe you should seek professional help.
You're seeing things that aren't there.
They have drugs for that now.
"Anonymous" troll: as you appear to be an apologist for the dispeptic Bunny, perhaps you could suggest some drugs to her that would bring her back into the real world! You CRGers are incredible...you reflect and echo the losers in the recent election who persist in creating a world of fantasy and foisting it off on the rest of us. Give it a rest!!
Anon contended:
“Cynthia, your response above leads me to believe you should seek professional help.
You're seeing things that aren't there.
They have drugs for that now.”
You can rest assured Anon, that I will not be taking any medical advice from Anonymous Internet Bloggers with absolutely no qualifications. I find the “seeing things that aren’t there” accusation terribly ironic considering Bunny said:
“HONESTLY, can we just have some privacy for ourselves and our daughters?
I actually felt "uneasy" approaching the Kohl's employee to complain with the new law having been passed.”
As if Bill 23-07 caused this problem, and / or that repealing it would make it go away.
As for drugs, I only take estrogen and progesterone.
Have a nice day,
Cynthia
"Give it a rest!!"
You might want to suggest that to Jim, who apparently will spend the rest of his years on the planet hunting down and exposing every move made by anyone in CRG.
Is that "vigilance"?
Why try to stir up some controversy about one e-mail out of thousands that the Council was undoubtedly planning to ignore anyway?
"They have drugs for that now."
You ought to know!
Anon stated:
“Give it a rest!!"
You might want to suggest that to Jim, who apparently will spend the rest of his years on the planet hunting down and exposing every move made by anyone in CRG.”
Actually, I think we should suggest that to the CRG. After all, they are the ones that went out and continued their fear and smear campaign against trans people when Court of Appeals put the kibosh on Bill 23-07 going on the November ballot. The CRG knew that they were WAY past all of the deadlines to actually make it happen, but that didn’t stop them. Apparently they are going to try and use these signatures to get it on the ballot again in 2010.
Anon asked:
“Is that "vigilance"?
Why try to stir up some controversy about one e-mail out of thousands that the Council was undoubtedly planning to ignore anyway?”
It’s not a matter of stirring up controversy. It’s simply pointing out that the CRG has not stopped scouring the county for every little crumb of an event they can inflate to bring it to the county’s attention that Bill 23-07 is a “bad law,” that “women and children are risk”, “losing their privacy,” and will be exposed to naked dragqueens and crossdressers in the locker rooms and showers. We also know that if enough ACTUAL events don’t occur to help them spread the fear, they are not above staging their own incidents and making sure they have a spokesperson ready for the local news to report on the “incident.”
I expect more of these terrible, discomforting “events” to start occurring a few months before voting in 2010, if they can manage to get it on the ballot again.
Give it a rest?
I don’t think so. Not while the CRG has a website up distinctly designed to give people the impression that trans people are all “mentally ill,” and likely to be an HIV infected, drug abusing prostitute. (See their “trans health issues” page.)
Have a nice day,
Cynthia
Welcome, Cynthia.
Anonimoidous has graced you with his classic "I disagree with you, therefore you are mentally ill." Many volunteer, but few are called.
I will point out that anonymous' many attacks on people by calling them mentally ill, suggesting they need professional help, and recommending or questioning their need or use for meds, are a clarifying demonstration of the type of bigotry which infuses his soul. Many people have genuine mental illness, some of which are severe enough to be disabling, and many more people are affected by this. His use of these disabilities to insult people is similar to calling people 'retarded', 'lame,' talking about 'jewing someone down,' Indian Summer,' or the one he defended recently, 'that's so gay.'
I won't say that anonymous doesn't care whom he insults. Instead, he intentionally goes out of his way to be pejorative of oppressed people, minorities, and people with disabilities.
Makes him feel better about himself, I bet.
Not to give him too much influence, but insults from Anonymous, like diatribes from Regina, Theresa, Peter (both of them) et al are an indication that we are doing something right.
Keep up the good fight.
rrjr
yes, and keep nurturing that persecution complex!
MoCo Trans Law In Effect: Straight Guy Forced to Shop For Wife's Clothes
With Montgomery County's new transgender anti-discrimination law now in effect, one husband was forced to go shopping with his wife and comment on her clothing choices. Sitting in a chair outside the closed cubicles, he watched his baby and dodged a barrage of potentially lethal perimenopausal glare bombs from women shoppers.
The man, who is from Foreig, spoke with our reporter through a Foreign interpreter. Asked about his presence in the changing room the man shrugged and said that he had no choice. "Always the wife she wants me to do the shopping with her. Always she is asking, 'Does this color look good? Do my hips look fat in this?' At first I say I can't do this because I must watch the baby. Then comes along the all-family bathrooms. But still I say I cannot decide your clothes. Now, Montgomery County has a new law and my wife she says, 'If the store manager asks you, say you are a woman today.' So now I have no choice, I must shop for women's clothes.
"Montgomery County Council wants everyone to do the same, have the same. Everyone to ride Taxi, everyone to shop at discount store, everyone to drive like she owns Rockville Pike on Sunday afternoon. The council thinks all Montgomery County wants the same thing. It is not true. I only want to watch European Soccer and American Football. Now because of transgender law I am like the handbag of my wife. I will never spend a Sunday afternoon at home again."
Onion Fan
Representative Broun, the Worst Person in the World
Andrea- not anon
Anon Onion Fan cannot be our usual Anon- why too much thought and humor.
Robert said:
“Anonimoidous has graced you with his classic "I disagree with you, therefore you are mentally ill." Many volunteer, but few are called.”
Don’t worry Robert, I have been called far worse by people I had a far greater respect for than Anonymous. There is nothing he can say to me that will diminish my personhood or my dignity. The more time he spends here harassing us, the less time he has on the streets to damage the public.
Anonymous exhorted:
“yes, and keep nurturing that persecution complex!”
Just exactly which persecution complex did you want us to nurture Anon?
A. The CRG contention that pedophiles and sexual predators were couldn’t wait for 23-07 to pass so that they could dress up in frilly clothes, go into the ladies rooms, claim they were women and harass, abuse, and expose themselves in front of innocent women and children.
B. In a move totally unexpected by the CRG, foreign fathers with thick glasses and baby strollers are now using the “marital status,” “parental status,” and “ethnicity” portions of the non-discrimination code to turn women’s dressing rooms in to family dressing rooms.
C. Our own lovely Anonymous contention that “government is forcing people to associate with transgenders.”
D. The false contention by the CRG that women won’t be able to choose their roommates any more.
E. All of the above.
Have a nice day,
Cynthia
You're Fabulous, Cynthia.
rrjr
Does a sign that says "Ladies's Fitting Room" violate the new law?
Section 27-11. Discriminatory practices states, in part, that it is discriminatory for a sign to be displayed that states or implies:..."that the patronage or presence of any person is unwelcome, objectionable, unacceptable, or not desired or solicited on account of any person's race, color, sex,....or gender identity"
Does that mean that a sign that says "Ladies Fitting Room" is a form of discrimination? Is that why the signs now just say "Fitting Room"?
After all, it would be considered discrimination if the sign said "White Fitting Room".
Just asking.
A song for Representative Broun
Well, I was feelin' sad and feelin' blue,
I didn't know what in the world I was gonna do,
Them Communists they wus comin' around,
They wus in the air,
They wus on the ground.
They wouldn't gimme no peace. . .
So I run down most hurriedly
And joined up with the John Birch Society,
I got me a secret membership card
And started off a-walkin' down the road.
Yee-hoo, I'm a real John Bircher now!
Look out you Commies!
Now we all agree with Hitlers' views,
Although he killed six million Jews.
It don't matter too much that he was a Fascist,
At least you can't say he was a Communist!
That's to say like if you got a cold
you take a shot of malaria.
Well, I wus lookin' everywhere for them gol-darned Reds.
I got up in the mornin' 'n' looked under my bed,
Looked in the sink, behind the door,
Looked in the glove compartment of my car.
Couldn't find 'em . . .
I wus lookin' high an' low for them Reds everywhere,
I wus lookin' in the sink an' underneath the chair.
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I looked way up my chimney hole,
I even looked deep inside my toilet bowl.
They got away . . .
Well, I wus sittin' home alone an' started to sweat,
Figured they wus in my T.V. set.
Peeked behind the picture frame,
Got a shock from my feet, hittin' right up in the brain.
Them Reds caused it!
I know they did . . . them hard-core ones.
Well, I quit my job so I could work alone,
Then I changed my name to Sherlock Holmes.
Followed some clues from my detective bag
And discovered they wus red stripes on the American flag!
That ol' Betty Ross . . .
Well, I investigated all the books in the library,
Ninety percent of 'em gotta be burned away.
I investigated all the people that I knowed,
Ninety-eight percent of them gotta go.
The other two percent are fellow
Birchers . . . just like me.
Now Eisenhower, he's a Russian spy,
Lincoln, Jefferson and that Roosevelt guy.
To my knowledge there's just one man
That's really a true American: George Lincoln Rockwell.
I know for a fact he hates Commies cus
he picketed the movie Exodus.
Well, I fin'ly started thinkin' straight
When I run outa things to investigate.
Couldn't imagine doin' anything else,
So now I'm sittin' home investigatin' myself!
Hope I don't find out anything . . . hmm, great God!
The absurdity grows. CRG and its supporters have been lying about the law for so long that they can no longer see the difference between real law and their fantasies.
As the Executive and Council legal advisers have repeatedly said, the anti-discrimination law leaves the owners of businesses alone to decide who use which facilities. Clothing store owners may not refuse to allow transgender patrons to try on and buy clothes. However Kohls is at liberty to define who uses which changing room. Neither the manager of Kohls nor Mrs. Galadora will be cited for asking a married father to wait outside the changing area while his wife tries on clothes if Kohl's has a no-opposite sex policy.
The management of Kohls may allow persons of both sexes in the waiting areas outside the changing booths so that parents and partners can weigh on on the decisions - I don't know. Bunny Galadora doesn't know Kohl's policy either because she didn't ask.
It is absurd that Mrs. Galadora didn't have the courtesy to ask the man to leave the changing area. It is absurd that she didn't speak to the store manager about it if she felt so strongly. It is absurd that she wrote to the County Council to complain about a store policy she never bothered to check. It is absurd that she wrote to the County Council to complain about her own rudeness to another customer and her own lack of gumption in dealing with the situation. It is absurd that the annonymati think Bunny's letter to the council should be treated as a private communication when the Council publicly states that all correspondence is on the record and public. It is absurd that the annonymati now want to start a new fantasy-based panic about men's and women's changing rooms being against the law.
Slow down. Take a reality moment. Assume that the other people in clothing store changing rooms are more interested in clothes than in you. It is not that hard.
Bunny was NOT THE ONE who posted her e-mail on this site and started all of you going NUTS!
While e-mails to the County Council are public. Who would have guessed that transexuals would find the need to post it on seveal of their sites.
"Bunny was NOT THE ONE who posted her e-mail on this site and started all of you going NUTS!"
That's absolutely right, Anon! Bunny did not post her letter here. She is simply the NUT who decided to tell the County Council she "felt "uneasy" approaching the Kohl's employee [about a man with a baby in a stroller standing INSIDE THE FITTING ROOM] with the new law having been passed."
BunnyNutCherio!
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