Wednesday, April 22, 2009

Irony in the News

These are, uh, interesting times. I love how the new guy is turning things around, shaking hands with foreign leaders, actually making decisions about the economy, working on health care and the environment and a hundred other things. But there is something, to tell you the truth, that's getting on my nerves a little bit.

Let's talk about torture. It has never been any secret that the United States was torturing people. Nobody is really surprised to find out about that. It's a subject that has been percolating under the surface for years, but, and here's the part that sticks in my craw, the media have treated the issue as if it was unimportant. I remember seeing Chris Matthews a couple of years ago talking about how such-and-such politician wanted to talk about torture and people weren't interested in that, people didn't care about that, what they cared about was the economy. Well, I watched Chris Matthews last night, and he is, all of a sudden, outraged about torture. I guess now "people" care about torture.

People didn't care about it because they didn't know about it, because the media weren't reporting it (because people didn't care about it, a tidy tautology). Now I see we -- and sorry, people, it's first person plural, we elected the clowns who decided to do this -- waterboarded that one guy a hundred eighty times in a month. That's torture, and it's excessive. Seymour Hersh has looked into the issue and written important articles about the American torture machine, and nobody else mentioned it.

Now, all of a sudden, it's news. My Washington Post this morning had at least three stories in the A section, two on the front page, about torture. All of a sudden everybody's outraged.

This isn't a fad, it isn't like a new singing group that all the kids suddenly listen to. The United States has systematically imprisoned people in secret prisons and tortured them for years. Maybe they were all bad people, I don't know one way or the other, but I know that torture is illegal and worse than that, it's wrong. It has always been illegal and wrong, but the media treated it like it was just a minor piece of collateral damage, like a bomb that hits a house next door to an intended military target.

Another thing: the loss of privacy. During the Bush administration, Americans lost a lot of rights, from the guarantee of habeus corpus to the freedom from warrantless searches and wiretaps. The administration didn't destroy those rights by itself, the executive branch doesn't pass laws, they got the complicity of the Congress in all this.

You know where I'm going with this now, right?

Glenn Greenwald writing in Salon has a devastating piece about the hypocrisy of a particular Blue Dog Democratic Congresswoman who has been busted on the basis of wiretaps. These are the "nice" kind, the NSA actually got warrants for these. Jane Harman was one of the most vocal about the need for the government to be able to listen in on citizens' conversations as easily as possible, and now she's been caught doing stuff and all of a sudden she sees that it was not such a good idea.

She expected privacy after she herself helped give away the right to privacy.

Here's a paragraph from Greenwald.
So if I understand this correctly -- and I'm pretty sure I do -- when the U.S. Government eavesdropped for years on American citizens with no warrants and in violation of the law, that was "both legal and necessary" as well as "essential to U.S. national security," and it was the "despicable" whistle-blowers (such as Thomas Tamm) who disclosed that crime and the newspapers which reported it who should have been criminally investigated, but not the lawbreaking government officials.  But when the U.S. Government legally and with warrants eavesdrops on Jane Harman, that is an outrageous invasion of privacy and a violent assault on her rights as an American citizen, and full-scale investigations must be commenced immediately to get to the bottom of this abuse of power.  Behold Jane Harman's overnight transformation from Very Serious Champion of the Lawless Surveillance State to shrill civil liberties extremist. 

Everybody knows it's a bad idea to let the government snoop on the people. Somebody might not be doing anything wrong, but they still deserve to be able to do it with confidence that the thousand eyes of federal government are not watching them. You don't want the government listening to your phone calls, and look what a nice person you are! You never say anything you wouldn't want repeated in a courtroom or in the news, but you wouldn't want some government employee with headphones on listening to your phone calls. Just imagine if you were pulling crooked backroom political strings. Or hey, imagine if the phone calls of every American politician were recorded and published in the newspaper! You and I would get a kick out of it, but you better believe those rights would be restored very quickly.

The Patriot Act was passed without anyone in Congress even reading it. It was a bad idea. The very first thing the Founding Fathers did after writing the Constitution was to amend it with passages guaranteeing American citizens certain rights, the Bill of Rights is the cornerstone of our modern liberal society, but the Bush administration and Congress saw it as an obstacle to their goal of "Total Information Awareness" for the federal government. Anybody who was paying attention was concerned, it is not news that our right to privacy has evaporated.

The word irony is often misused. Ms. Harman's huff about her privacy being violated is a textbook example of the concept. It was a bad idea to make wiretaps easier to get, and it's still a bad idea. All of a sudden the badness of the idea dawns on a victim of her own policy. That's irony. We're seeing a lot of it now, as the chickens come home to roost.

11 Comments:

Blogger Orin Ryssman said...

The Patriot Act was passed without anyone in Congress even reading it. It was a bad idea. The very first thing the Founding Fathers did after writing the Constitution was to amend it with passages guaranteeing American citizens certain rights, the Bill of Rights is the cornerstone of our modern liberal society...Don't mean to quibble but they probably tossed back a few beers...and the Bill of Rights followed 3 years later.

The word irony is often misused. Ms. Harman's huff about her privacy being violated is a textbook example of the concept. It was a bad idea to make wiretaps easier to get, and it's still a bad idea. All of a sudden the badness of the idea dawns on a victim of her own policy.That was what happened with Eliot Spitzer...he was literally taken down by mechanisms he designed and put in place when he was US Attorney General. That is what made his downfall so entertaining to watch. What a sanctimonious jerk.

That's irony. We're seeing a lot of it now, as the chickens come home to roost.LOL...oh, I am sure we will see more of it as Obama cleans house. Still, Obama ought to take a moment and cast a cautionary glance at poor Eliot and keep in mind this pearl of wisdom,

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.Matthew 7:2

as he continually strives to air ALL of the dirty laundry of the previous administration (of which I am confident there is no shortage of).

April 23, 2009 1:10 AM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

More irony. Look who's suddenly "concerned" about deficits. Salon reports:

Cheney now vs. Cheney then

Former Vice President Dick Cheney, talking with Fox News' Sean Hannity in a portion of their interview broadcast Tuesday night:

HANNITY: The debt is going to be tripled in 10 years. We're going to be paying $806 billion a year to service that debt, interest on the debt. $4 trillion is the Obama budget. We have omnibus, we have had TARP I, TARP II stimulus. What do you think, your overall analysis, of where they're taking the country economically from where we are and where we're going?

CHENEY: Well, I'm very concerned about it... I worry very much that we're in a situation now where there doesn't appear to be any limitation whatsoever in terms of the spending commitments that this administration wants to make. Vast expansion in terms of the deficit, but it also says a lot about what they intend for the role of government in this society...

Now when we get into talking about bailing out individual companies and so forth, you know, or big expansion of governmental programs without addressing the huge expansions that are already built in -- I mean, before we had any of this we've got problems down the road with Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid. And now we're dumping, if all of this comes to pass, a huge additional burden on future generations. I think it's very dangerous.

HANNITY: Unsustainable?

CHENEY: I think so. I think over the long term, economically, it's devastating for our society.

Then-Vice President Dick Cheney in the fall of 2002, according to former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill:

Reagan proved deficits don't matter.


More irony. Look who's suddenly concerned about full disclosure to enable "honest debate" about US policy.

in 2009, CSMonitor.com reports:

Cheney appeared on Sean Hannity’s TV program last night and said that by releasing only the Justice Department memos, the whole story is not being told. And in order to make it an “honest debate” over US policy, other classified documents detailing the success of the controversial techniques should also see the light of day.

in 2002, CSMonitor.com reported:

As head of the normally obscure General Accounting Office, Walker is leading an effort to try to force Vice President Dick Cheney to turn over records of meetings with Enron and other corporate executives about federal energy policy.

The lawsuit the agency is expected to file against the vice president - the first ever by the GAO against a federal official for access to records

April 23, 2009 8:19 AM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

And some good news. AOL News reports: AP Poll: Americans high on Obama, direction of US

WASHINGTON -For the first time in years, more Americans than not say the country is headed in the right direction, a sign that Barack Obama has used the first 100 days of his presidency to lift the public's mood and inspire hopes for a brighter future.

Intensely worried about their personal finances and medical expenses, Americans nonetheless appear realistic about the time Obama might need to turn things around, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll. It shows most Americans consider their new president to be a strong, ethical and empathetic leader who is working to change Washington.

Nobody knows how long the honeymoon will last, but Obama has clearly transformed the yes-we-can spirit of his candidacy into a tool of governance...

April 23, 2009 9:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Look who's suddenly "concerned" about deficits."

Anyone with sense. Obama's budgets make Bush's looked balanced. Obama has dwarfed the issue he complained about and made it his own sin.

The hypocrisy is stunning.

48% believe we are headed in the right direction now. The last time it was that high was after Bush had been President almost four years.

Get back to us when Sir B.O. has put in that much public service.

April 23, 2009 10:33 AM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

Obama's budgets make Bush's looked balanced.

It would take plenty of smoke and mirrors to make Bush's budgets *look* balanced. Bush left Obama with a hole to dig us all out of, which he created from the surplus Clinton had left for him 8 years earlier.

48% believe we are headed in the right direction now. The last time it was that high was after Bush had been President almost four years.

It took Obama 100 days to garner the numbers it took 4 years of GOP spin to con the country into thinking it liked the direction Bush was taking us. We all remember Bush claiming a "mandate" in 2004, just like the CRW did. But the smoke cleared and two years later, the GOP returned to minority status in the House of Representatives. In 2008, states that hadn't been blue in *decades* proved that Obama had a real mandate. Today the GOP has been reduced to the party of NO and is going glub, glub, glub down the drain.

April 23, 2009 6:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Bush left Obama with a hole to dig us all out of, which he created from the surplus Clinton had left for him 8 years earlier."

This is a bunch of crap. Obama is planning to create deficits by moving the country to socialism. Clinton's administration caused the problems that Bush had to deal with.

"It took Obama 100 days to garner the numbers it took 4 years of GOP spin to con the country into thinking it liked the direction Bush was taking us."

More crap. Bush had comparable ratings to Sir B.O. at this point.

"We all remember Bush claiming a "mandate" in 2004, just like the CRW did."

Just like Sir B.O. is doing now.

Actually, I don't think Bush ever said anything like that. The press did and the fearful left latched on.

Similar situation here in MC. CRW never said anything like that. The liberals here freaked out at the recall move because of what happened in California.

"But the smoke cleared and two years later, the GOP returned to minority status in the House of Representatives."

Yeah, after decades.

"In 2008, states that hadn't been blue in *decades* proved that Obama had a real mandate."

Oh, brother. How is that any more of a mandate than when they were red?

Periodically, Americans give the Dems a try. Never lasts long.

Obama's current waffling about prosecuting Bush lawyers is a continuation of a pattern.

He really can't maintain any position for more than a moment.

Americans will catch on.

April 23, 2009 10:40 PM  
Anonymous Robert said...

What I love most of all is how Sean Hannity blames the meltdown in the housing and financial markets on Barney Frank.

April 24, 2009 11:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He was actually a key player in the mess, Robert.

You may not realize how much influence he had as chairman of the oversight committee.

April 24, 2009 12:59 PM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

The deficit, failing banks, failing investment companies, failing businesses, unfinished wars and occupations, foreclosures, tent cities, uninsured Americans, toxic debt, and the plummeting job market is a bunch of crap all right and it was left by Bush for Obama to dig us out of. Nice spin, but here are some facts.

Clinton had absolutely nothing to do with those problems unless you suddenly agree the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act he signed had something to do with our economic downfall.

Clinton certainly had nothing to do with the never-found WDM or fabricated link between al-qaeda and Iraq, the use of torture, calling Geneva Convention provisions "quaint" thereby endangering our soldiers, Hamas - a terrorist organization - as the democratically elected leaders of Gaza, the fiasco of FEMA's response to Katrina, Terry Schaivo, "Mission Accomplished," Jack Abramoff, Valerie Plame, Enron, the firing of US Attorneys who didn't prosecute enough Democrats, etc.

Bush had comparable ratings to Sir B.O. at this point.

No he didn't.

Polls at Bush's 100 days in office mark found only a 1 percentage point difference between those who thought the country was going in the right direction (44%) and those who thought it was going in the wrong direction (43%).

And that was probably residual from the high view of Clinton's leadership. The recent AP/GfK poll found:

...48 percent of Americans believe the United States is headed in the right direction — compared with 44 percent who disagree.The "right direction" number is up 8 points since February and a remarkable 31 points since October, the month before Obama's election.

...this is the first time since January 2004 than an AP survey found more "right direction" than "wrong direction" respondents. That fleeting 2004 burst of optimism came shortly after the capture of former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.

In recent years, the U.S. public has tended to be more pessimistic than optimistic about the nation's future. The exceptions lasted just a few months: the start of the Iraq war, the Sept. 11 attacks and late in the Clinton administration.

...The AP-GfK poll suggests that 64 percent of the public approves of Obama's job performance, down slightly from 67 percent in February. President George W. Bush's approval ratings hovered in the high 50s after his first 100 days in office.


Bush did *not* have comparable ratings to Obama during the first 100 days: the spread between right and wrong direction was 1 point for Bush but it was four times as much for Obama, and Obama's approval rating is roughly 17 points higher than Bush's was at this point.

"We all remember Bush claiming a "mandate" in 2004, just like the CRW did."

Just like Sir B.O. is doing now.

Actually, I don't think Bush ever said anything like that...


After having lost the popular vote by half a million votes in 2000, Bush said of his 3.0 million vote and 2.46% win in 2004 "I earned capital in this campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it...It is my style...When you win, there is ... a feeling that the people have spoken and embraced your point of view,...And that's what I intend to tell Congress, that I made it clear what I intend to do as the president; now let's work." Bush left it to Cheney to use the word "mandate:" "President Bush ran forthrightly on a clear agenda for this nation's future, and the nation responded by giving him a mandate."

Compare those numbers to the 2008 election results, which Obama won by 9.5 million votes and 7.26%.

Similar situation here in MC. CRW never said anything like that [mandate]." The liberals here freaked out at the recall move because of what happened in California.

Oh that's a good one. The people who freaked were supporters of Rhetta Brown and Michelle Turner, who were outvoted on most every issue when they sat on the MCPS Citizens Advisory Committee that wrote the 2004 sex ed revision. Rhetta wrote her letter to the Gazette in April 2004, which had no effect so Michelle, emboldend by the election results, called a meeting in December of 2004, where the 2004 election results were touted as proof the religious right mandate. The January 13, 2005 email from the Administrator of RECALLMONTGOMERYSCHOOLBOARD I linked to yesterday on the Whitman Ready thread said:

Lets not forget that this "quasi" elected board, immediately after the nationwide election which trounced the homosexual agenda, instituted a profoundly pro-gay curriculum. What they did was, and still is, outrageous.

Maybe that person didn't use the word "mandate," but it's clear that's what s/he was talking about.

Oh, brother. How is that any more of a mandate than when they were red?

When after decades of being red, a state votes blue, it means there's been a change, a big change in the view of the voters who reside there.

Periodically, Americans give the Dems a try. Never lasts long.

Never? Are you sure about that?

Wikipedia reports

United States presidential election, 1932 — Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Of all the realigning elections, this one musters the most agreement from political scientists and historians; it is the archetypal realigning election....
The Democrats went from 37.7% of House seats in 1928 to 49.6% in 1930 and 71.9% in 1932, for a total gain of 34.2% in two elections.




And after FDR was elected in 1932, a Democrat remained in the White House until 1952. No party has had a 20 year uninterrupted presence in the White House since, yet.

In 2006, Democrats added 31 House seats and 5 Senate seats, and in 2008 Democrats picked up another 21 House seats and 7 (8 when Norm Coleman gets real) Senate seats. Obama's realigning election has confirmed the trend begun in 2006. As long as the GOP clings to the now dead wedge issues, the occupation in Iraq, and being the party of "no" that wants Obama to fail, the trend is expected to continue because Americans have caught on.

April 24, 2009 1:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmmmm..."socialism" (bemoaned by the ever ubiquitous "Anonymous") sorta reminds me of the tenets of Christianity as taught by Christ and enumerated in the Holy Bible! Jeeeze...could it be that the teachings of Jesus might get him labeled as a "Communist" by the same "Anonymous"?
Christianity = Socialism? OMG...save us from the wrath of hell and eternal damnation!!
St. Matthew

April 24, 2009 8:15 PM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

Obama is planning to create deficits by moving the country to socialism.

How many Americans agree that the country is being moved to socialism?

Pew Research just published an interesting poll that includes data on terms Americans use to describe Obama. It's seems a whopping 20 out of 742 Americans polled, that's 2.7%, use the word "socialist" to describe President Obama.

That puts you right out there in the radical fringe, Anon! You might find the tables comparing Americans' views of various US Presidents from Carter to Obama interesting.

Some Christian faiths think that socialism, in the form of providing for the poor, is a good and moral thing. For example, Wikipedia reports Pope Leo XIII published an encyclical called Rerum Novarum, which is subtitled "On Capital and Labor". In this document, Leo set out the Catholic Church's response to the social instability and labor conflict that had arisen in the wake of industrialization and had led to the rise of socialism. The Pope taught that the role of the State is to promote social justice through the protection of rights, while the Church must speak out on social issues in order to teach correct social principles and ensure class harmony. He restated the Church's long-standing teaching regarding the crucial importance of private property rights, but recognised, in one of the best-known passages of the encyclical, that the free operation of market forces must be tempered by moral considerations:

"Let the working man and the employer make free agreements, and in particular let them agree freely as to the wages; nevertheless, there underlies a dictate of natural justice more imperious and ancient than any bargain between man and man, namely, that wages ought not to be insufficient to support a frugal and well-behaved wage-earner. If through necessity or fear of a worse evil the workman accept harder conditions because an employer or contractor will afford him no better, he is made the victim of force and injustice."

Rerum Novarum is remarkable for its vivid depiction of the plight of the nineteenth-century urban poor and for its condemnation of unrestricted capitalism. Among the remedies it prescribed were the formation of trade unions and the introduction of collective bargaining, particularly as an alternative to state intervention. Rerum Novarum also recognized that the poor have a special status in consideration of social issues: the modern Catholic principle of the "preferential option for the poor" and the notion that God is on the side of the poor found their first expression in this document.

April 25, 2009 10:44 AM  

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