Hateful Baptists Return to Our Area
Looks like the God Hates Fags Baptists are back in our region again, today and tomorrow. They'll be at BCC tomorrow. This is from their SCHEDULE web page:
These guys are so nutty that even the run-of-the-mill bigots find themselves disagreeing with them.
The God Hates Fags schedule is full, they seem to go to a half-dozen places every day, telling people how much God hates them. While they're in our area they will picket Sidwell Friends Middle School, the Department of Education, Woodrow Wilson High School, the EEOC DC Field Office, Marriott Wardman Park (for putting Antichrist in the White House, y'know), the White House, BCC, Taft Memorial Park, and Sidwell Friends Lower School ("for the little nasty God-hating Quakers") -- all in two days.
I don't know what kind of response is planned at BCC, hopefully there is a quiet but overwhelming counterdemonstration. BCC is chosen, they say, because it has a diversity club and a Gay Straight Alliance chapter. I don't know what to say to that...
Advice for tomorrow: be cool, keep it under control, don't let them get under your skin.
11/10/2009 06:55 AM - 07:25 AM Bethesda, MD
Bethesda Chevy Chase High School - These brutes needs WORDS! 4301 East-West Highway What is the matter with these parents and adults who sit on the sidelines and allow this school to have a "Diversity Club" and a "GSA"? Do you think God does not see what is happening with you rebels? You are each and all in big trouble because you insist that we come and speak with you. SHAME! Psalm 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, 3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. 5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. 6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. Lying and rebelling will not change the laws of God, and the standard of how to deal with a rebellious, libidinous brat who refuses to OBEY! That is why the ambassadors from Zion will come speak with you. AMEN!
These guys are so nutty that even the run-of-the-mill bigots find themselves disagreeing with them.
The God Hates Fags schedule is full, they seem to go to a half-dozen places every day, telling people how much God hates them. While they're in our area they will picket Sidwell Friends Middle School, the Department of Education, Woodrow Wilson High School, the EEOC DC Field Office, Marriott Wardman Park (for putting Antichrist in the White House, y'know), the White House, BCC, Taft Memorial Park, and Sidwell Friends Lower School ("for the little nasty God-hating Quakers") -- all in two days.
I don't know what kind of response is planned at BCC, hopefully there is a quiet but overwhelming counterdemonstration. BCC is chosen, they say, because it has a diversity club and a Gay Straight Alliance chapter. I don't know what to say to that...
Advice for tomorrow: be cool, keep it under control, don't let them get under your skin.
posted by JimK at 1:23 PM
44 Comments:
"Advice for tomorrow: be cool, keep it under control, don't let them get under your skin."
That's good.
Another tip: don't give them any free publicity by announcing their visit on the internet.
We really have to watch these guys close, otherwise tons of people driving by BCC tomorrow might see them and join up with them.
Oh, thank heaven for TTF!
"Another tip: don't give them any free publicity by announcing their visit on the internet."
That's rubbish! Allowing haters from Kansas to come into our community without a suitable community response is just what they want.
It's like the December 2004 meeting in Wheaton that started the CRC. Fortunately some of the people who would create TTF were there and found out CRCers had invited Dobson's Coloradan empire to try to influence our community standards here in Maryland. Then TTF formed, spread the word of the CRC intention to bring in interlopers, and county residents were able to put our community standards in our public schools.
"That's rubbish! Allowing haters from Kansas to come into our community without a suitable community response is just what they want."
Really?
I think they want to draw as much attention to themselves as possible.
It's usually a bonus for them if a bunch of gays show up throwing eggs and screaming epithets and acting all TTFish.
"It's like the December 2004 meeting in Wheaton that started the CRC. Fortunately some of the people who would create TTF were there and found out CRCers had invited Dobson's Coloradan empire to try to influence our community standards here in Maryland."
Actually, CRC fought against the Fishback revisions which were later found unconstitutional.
Fishback was involved in this group, TTF, formed to support him, from an early stage.
I was at that meeting and the TTFers were asked to leave because of their incessant flatulence and then went outside to make a bunch of noise.
Did TTF invite CRC to come to their formation meeting and pass gas?
No, and TTF received support and even personal propaganda training from some lunatic fringe gay advocacy gang.
"Then TTF formed, spread the word of the CRC intention to bring in interlopers, and county residents were able to put our community standards in our public schools."
Homosexuality is not a community standard.
In fact, the county abandoned the curriculum after the court ruled against TTF and even the media turned on them.
None of this bears any resemblance to WBC any more than TTF resembles NAMBLA or Barack Obama resembles Stalin.
How many times a year do they let you out?
I am sure they will be coming to my school soon enough. We have a very active Gay-Straight Alliance.
“Actually, CRC fought against the Fishback revisions which were later found unconstitutional.
Fishback was involved in this group, TTF, formed to support him, from an early stage.”
As has been noted many times in this space, the 2004-05 revisions to the Health Education Curriculum were the subject of a preliminary ruling on CRC/PFOX’s request for a temporary restraining order, to which MCPS had only a few days to respond. The United States District Court there expressed its opinion that the curriculum was unconstitutional because (1) it took positions on theological matters and (2) that if anything were to be said about sexual orientation, then “all sides” had to be presented.
As to the first point, the curriculum said nothing about religion, other than to say that different religions have different views on sexual behaviors; in the subsequent settlement agreement, CRC/PFOX admitted that such statements were permissible.
As to the second point, that was simply an incorrect statement of the law, and when, in 2007-08, CRC/PFOX sought to get the State Board of Education to declare the 2007 revisions unconstitutional, the position was rejected. CRC/PFOX appealed to the Montgomery County Circuit Court, and lost there, as well. CRC/PFOX declined to appeal further. CRC/PFOX did not even try to go back to federal court, because they knew that the 2005 ambush would not work a second time.
Teachthefacts.org was not “formed to support [me].” It was formed to support the inclusion of accurate information on sexual orientation in our public school curriculum, and to respond to the Dobson-connected attacks on our County.
An amendment prohibiting government funding of abortion in the House version of health-care reform passed on Saturday by a vote of 240-194.
The Stupak-Pitts amendment was the culmination of an effort by Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats to insert language similar to the Hyde Amendment.
The Hyde Amendment restricts abortion coverage under Medicaid.
Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., said the coalition of pro-life lawmakers remained determined.
"We felt strongly about it," he said. "We were not going to vote or even let (health care) come to the floor for a vote with language that would fund abortions."
Many Democrats had maintained their plan would not include funding for abortions, but closer inspection revealed it would do just that.
Douglas Johnson, legislative director for the National Right to Life Committee, said Democrat leaders spent months "misrepresenting" the plan.
"The bipartisan House vote is a sharp blow to the White House's pro-abortion smuggling operation," he said. "But, we know that the White House and pro-abortion congressional Democratic leaders will keep trying to enact government funding of abortion and will keep trying to conceal their true intentions, so there is a long battle ahead."
Ashley Horne, federal policy analyst for Focus on the Family Action, said there were numerous troubling aspects of the bill in addition to the life concerns.
"Many of those fall outside our area of expertise," she said. "That's why Focus on the Family Action remained neutral on passage of the overall bill and focused our efforts on the important abortion funding issue."
Now, attention turns to the Senate, where lawmakers soon will consider their version of health-care reform. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has said his bill will "look markedly different" from the House offering.
Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the Susan B. Anthony List, said pro-lifers must continue to contact their lawmakers.
"We will remain vigilant and shift our efforts to the Senate," she said, "to ensure that these same pro-life protections are added to the Senate bill."
ah, viligance
"Teachthefacts.org was not “formed to support [me].”"
and it was nothing like WBC either, was it?
and it was nothing like WBC either, was it?
Anon, what is that supposed to mean?
When TTF first met, none of us knew David Fishback or who he was. We had attended the December 4, 2004, meeting of the RecallMontgomerySchoolBoard.com group and knew we had to take action to support the school district in implementing a reasonable sex-ed curriculum as it was coming under attack by a small group of bigots. We didn't know any of the people involved, we were not connected to any other groups, we were mostly parents with kids at Einstein HS who had seen an announcement on the school listserve, went to a meeting, and saw the need for action. Community support materialized around us immediately.
JimK
it means this, Jim:
you gays hated Jerry Falwell
you would compare someone to him if you were feeling nasty
well, WBC hates him too
they picketed his funeral because they said God hates him
so why shouldn't we compare you guys to WBC when your minion above compares CRC to WBC:
"Allowing haters from Kansas to come into our community without a suitable community response is just what they want.
It's like the December 2004 meeting in Wheaton that started the CRC."
Anon, I said right in this post that the WBC is too far out even for our run of the mill bigots. The people who tried to fight our sex-ed curriculum had support from outside and no support from inside the community, which is what the comment you quoted refers to. And your argument that we are like WBC because we don't like Jerry Falwell relies on ambiguous negatives. It is not always or necessarily true that "my enemy's enemy is my friend."
JimK
I don't think you're like WBC. I think you have as much is common with WBC as CRC had.
No support from inside the community? Despite having some of the highest rated schools in the country, MC has high numbers of kids taking other routes.
The community here long ago gave up fighting the teacher union political machine. It's nothing to be proud of.
Would you put that curriculum to a vote? The committee that concocted it wasn't representative of the community.
"On Monday morning, a Kansas-based hate group attempted to spread its message to high schools in Washington, D.C., including the Sidwell Friends School. Roughly a half dozen members of the Westboro Baptist Church gathered on Wisconsin Avenue, across four lanes of traffic from Sidwell, to protest the school's policy of supporting gay rights. The hate group was outnumbered, although not outshouted, by the 100 Sidwell students amassed in front of their school The students of Sidwell -- a Quaker school that promotes diverse perspectives and respect for individual opinions -- stood in silent protest against the four adults and two children from the hate group."
revisions which were later found unconstitutional.
Judge Williams decision said the question of whether or not there were constitutional issues could be further evaluated and issued a ten day temporary restraining order. CRC decided to settle. If there had been unconstitutional curricular revisions, the CRC and their lunatic fringe (to borrow a commonly used phrase from Anon) christianista lawyers would have pursued them in court. But here's what happened: the Liberty Council lawyers walked away and never represented the CRC in any court action again.
I was at that meeting and the TTFers were asked to leave
If you were at the meeting and thought TTFers were asked to leave, you must have been hallucinating. Nobody left until attendees were being split into working groups. As the main group was breaking up, some people began talking and were asked to be quiet or leave. Some of the talkers left and some of the talkers joined working groups.
TTF received support and even personal propaganda training from some lunatic fringe gay advocacy gang.
TTF got a big dose of support by the Anonymous commenter who posted a couple of large cuts . and . pastes from internal CRC musings about working to bring in outside groups to sway Montgomery County residents.
Homosexuality is not a community standard.
In Montgomery County Maryland, we pride ourselves on tolerance, even for homophobics who make statements like that.
even the media turned on them.
You mean like when the CRC worked to turn media like this:
Msg Topic [5 Replies Last Reply:01-18-2005 - 6:35 AM ]
Call the Gazette today!
***Note: I also posted this under General Comments but was afraid it would not be noticed in that category.
I just left a message with Lloyd Batzler, editor of the Gazette - (301) 948-3120 - and suggest you do the same.
Background:
The Gazette absolutely trashed the CRC in last Wednesday's print edition with the story, "Cox avoids Germantown meeting after receiving threats." link: http://www.gazette.net/200502/poolesville/news/254334-1.html
They since revised the story, but ONLY on the online Gazette... not (yet) in print. See link: http://www.gazette.net/200502/germantown/news/254275-1.html
By trashing CRC, the Gazette owes you guys free space. This is an opportunity to:
a. Correct the record on the Cox incident
b. To get your POSITIVE message out
But you need to call and demand it. Monday is usually the filing deadline, so I'd suggest flooding their phone lines ASAP.
Good luck,
Jud Ashman
[Date=01-17-2005] Name:Jud Ashman judashman@aol.com, [Msgid=765390]
I spoke to the writer
Jim Eppard, who is Jackie Mah's editor called me and wanted to wrap this up today, and since Steve didn't have time to call her back, he asked me to. I explained to her that we were upset that speculations on the part of the GCA board member, Sheila Myers on Sharon Cox feeling threatened by posts on the recall, turned into a very damaging headline for us. And though she (Jackie) doesn't write the headlines, she needed to try to do some damage control in her article this week correcting last week's aritcle that was in 4 editions. I reiterated to her our committment to keep this discussion civil and avoid name calling or accusations. I also explained the nature of the posts that were misinterpreted and divulged the fact that the archived messages have been removed to prevent further misinterpretations. We'll see what actually hits the paper on Wed.
I tried to keep it friendly and didn't blast her for her obvious mistake in not checking on resources.
[Date=01-17-2005] Name:Ellen ellenmc7@juno.com, [Msgid=765582]
Had a great lunch with Tom Moyer of WAVA. They are ready to feature us on their station (Don Kroah, etc.) and do the PSA Tony produced. Tom also gave me a personal check for our fundraising. He wants Steve to attend a staff meeting or conf call as their people have a lot of contact with the community, pastors, etc. We can use their people at grassroots level as well as on air. He feels Roscoe Bartlett, (Congressman N. Montg. County and Fred. Co.) will get involved and I can get his private number to reach out. He said there was a table at this Church on Sunday with the petition and people were signing, etc.
[Date=01-20-2005] Name:John Garza jgarza@garzanet.com, [Msgid=767517]
Despite having some of the highest rated schools in the country, MC has high numbers of kids taking other routes.
MC also has one of the highest per capita incomes, enabling many parents to enroll their students in expensive private schools. Many families move to MC from foreign countries for the privilege of enrolling their children in MCPS.
"If there had been unconstitutional curricular revisions, the CRC and their lawyers would have pursued them in court."
This a regular part of the TTF disingenuity repertoire.
The lawsuit requested injunctive relief which MCPS unilaterally granted so there was nothing to be gained by going forward.
MCPS threw out the curriculum, fired the committee that devised it, gave CRC a guaranteed seat on a committee to write a new curriculum and paid CRC's legal costs.
Sounds like the actions of a school board that feels guilty.
"If you were at the meeting and thought TTFers were asked to leave, you must have been hallucinating."
Excessive flatulence is still not tolerated in polite society, anon-B.
"Nobody left until attendees were being split into working groups. As the main group was breaking up, some people began talking and were asked to be quiet or leave. Some of the talkers left and some of the talkers joined working groups."
Actually, a few TTFers stomped out. Toward the end, they were outside raising such a ruckus, a CRC rep had to ask them to quiet down.
It was private property and TTFers were there as guests. The police could have been called if necessary.
"TTF received support and even personal propaganda training from some lunatic fringe gay advocacy gang."
true dat
"In Montgomery County Maryland, we pride ourselves on tolerance, even for homophobics who make statements like that."
MC residents aren't idiots. We recognize that tolerance is a greatly over-rated virtue and a society must maintain certain standards of discriminating decorum.
The random and excessive flatulence, for example, needs to be dealt with.
"MC also has one of the highest per capita incomes, enabling many parents to enroll their students in expensive private schools."
Thus, the most influential members of our community are nonchalant about what goes on.
That's part of the reason an ultra-liberal teacher union has a stranglehold on the school board.
as Democrats try to ram through a health care bill supported by about 26% of Americans, it's getting harder and harder to defend the Incompetent-in-Chief:
"When President Barack Obama promised in February that the $787 billion stimulus bill would unleash "a new wave of innovation, activity and construction," he probably didn't have tidying up gravestones in mind.
But that is what some of the money has paid for, along with frozen fish sperm, Taser guns and an ongoing political headache that Obama easily could have avoided.
As reporters start to pore over the details of the stimulus spending reports the White House released a little more than a week ago, they're turning up lots of gems like this.
In addition to the above, reporters at ProPublica found stimulus money spent on tickets for a musical version of "Little House on the Prairie," a cotton candy machine and breakfast at Fuddruckers.
Then there's the dispute over how many jobs have actually been "created or saved," as the administration likes to put it.
Obama says 640,329 so far.
But all last week, reporters were turning up some serious cases of job inflation. Examples:
- The Associated Press found that a pay raise for 508 employees was counted as 935 jobs saved.
- The New York Times discovered that $1,047 for a rider mower for a cemetery in Arkansas was credited with saving or creating 50 jobs.
- In Milwaukee, reporters at the Journal Sentinel uncovered examples of double counting, jobs for projects that hadn't received any stimulus money, and other problems.
- The Chicago Tribune found that $4.7 million sent to schools in North Chicago was credited with saving 473 jobs in a district that employs only 290 teachers.
- USA Today reported that a $26,174 grant to fix a fence and repair roofs in Texas was reported to have created 450 jobs. Actual number of jobs involved: six.
Even assuming the total jobs number is right, the administration is also defending itself against claims that the cost per job -- based on $159 billion spent so far -- comes out to more than $240,000.
And of course, it doesn't help Obama that all these created or saved stimulus jobs have come at a time when the ranks of the unemployed swelled nearly 600,000 in October and almost 1 million since June."
When are we allowed to hold this accountable?
ROLAND MARTIN: But your candidates got to talk to them. One of the criticisms I've always had is Republicans -- white Republicans -- have been scared of black folks.
MICHAEL STEELE: You're absolutely right. I mean I've been in the room and they've been scared of me. I'm like, "I'm on your side" and so I can imagine going out there and talking to someone like you, you know...
it's too easy
do Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell or Condoleeza Rice sound familiar to you?
do Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell or Condoleeza Rice sound familiar to you?
Oh brother! Time to trot out the GOP tokens, Anon?
You included Colin Powell? But he's no Republican! Just ask Dick Cheney, who said:
“My take on it was Colin had already left the party,” Cheney said. “I didn’t know he was still a Republican.”
How many other minorities do you expect will be drawn by the "fried chicken and potato salad" or the call "Y'all come," Steele said he'd use to attract "diversity" to the GOP?
you can call them tokens or some similar epithet but, remember, the idiotic post I was responding to said "white Republicans are afraid of black folks"
it was a classic racist remark by a typical TTFer
you know, a lot of people assume because Dems control Congress that the gay agenda controls Congress but, actually, what is about to be revealed is that the Democrat majority is composed largely of pro-family Dems who represent this majority conservative country we live in
together with pro-family Repubs, the social conservatives can't be ignored:
"First-term Congresswoman Kathy Dahlkemper is a pro-life Democrat.
Actually, she calls herself a "whole life" Democrat.
"I am against the death penalty; am for health care reform; care whether people live in poverty or not -- all of these things are life issues and the majority of them fit right into the Democratic platform," she said. "The one that doesn't is the issue of abortion."
It is that issue -- and the question of what constitutes taxpayer support for abortion -- that sits at the heart of the Democratic Party's latest internal battle in its efforts to cobble together a majority to pass health care reform.
For Dahlkemper, the issue is about more than politics. "I was in college," she explained as she described an unplanned pregnancy in her early 20s. "I can say this as someone who has actually been in the situation. . . . I am a woman and I do understand." The son she gave birth to in college is 30 years old now.
Her victory as a pro-life Democrat last year, along with others since 2006, helped to expand the Democratic majorities in the House and Senate but also presented leaders with an uncomfortable truth -- that with larger numbers came a far greater diversity of positions on even their most cherished issues, including abortion rights."
face it, the arc of history bends toward justice
"white Republicans are afraid of black folks"
it was a classic racist remark by a typical TTFer
Are you calling Micheal Steele "a typical TTFer?" He's the one who said
"I've been in the room and they've been scared of me."
the arc of history bends toward justice
Correction. Dr. King said
"Let us realize the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward justice."
Let's hope it will bend toward justice for all the unborn and born.
you're the sniveling amoral liberal who supports the right to kill unwanted children
Michael Steele may have said something, and I don't know the context, but the TTFer here said, in a typical TTFism, that "white Republicans are afraid of black folks".
It was a racist remark but also clearly wrong. The Bush administration was chock full of minorities. Afraid of? He must have lived in constant terror.
A lot of liberals, black and white, are afraid of blacks though.
Jesse Jackson famously said that when he walking alone in the city late at night and hears footsteps, he's always relieved if he turns around and sees a white man.
in other matters, the Dems are trying to push through a sweeping and historic alteration of our economy without the support of American citizens:
"Legislation to revamp the nation's health care system got a boost after the House approved a $1.2 trillion version of the bill over the weekend, but a Gallup Poll released today shows many Americans are still wary, at best, about how the proposal would affect the nation and their households.
Forty-one percent of Americans believe the U.S. health care system would improve if the legislation pending in Congress passes while 40% say it would get worse, according to the new poll. Fourteen percent said the bill would not make much difference.
Asked how the proposals would affect their own health care situation, 26% said "improve," 31% responded "not much difference" and 36% said "worse."
Interestingly, 38% say they would advise their member of Congress to vote against the legislation. The share of people who would tell their lawmaker to support the bill dropped to 29% in this recent poll.
There was a large increase -- from 22% to 33% -- in the percentage of people who said they would have no opinion on the health care bill if they came face to face with their representative.
The survey was conducted Nov. 5-8, meaning that Saturday's health care vote in the House fell smack in the middle of the polling. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points."
the quandary for Dems is that, whether it passes or fails, the Dems lose
The lawsuit requested injunctive relief which MCPS unilaterally granted so there was nothing to be gained by going forward.
Nice rationalization! However, the truth is there was a lot to be gained if the curricular revisions had been unconstitutional. Winning a constitutional argument against a public school curriculum, especially MCPS, would have been a huge win for those on the right who seek to destroy public education.
well, I guess what you say would be true had the curriculum actually been implemented
TTF was stopped before any students' rights were violated so no damage was done to justify any monetary damages
the only financial damage was that CRC incurred legal costs to defend the rights of students but MCPS coughed that up as part of the settlement
it's funny how often the gay agenda is at odds with democracy
from the constitutional violations of the Fishback revisions to the aide to the County Councilman who tried to intimidate petitioners on the trans bill to those now seeking to prevent D.C. residents from voting, one constant is that lunatic fringe gay advocates don't like the American system of government
TTF was stopped before any students' rights were violated so no damage was done to justify any monetary damages
TTF was stopped from what? From nothing! Judge Williams' TRO had nothing to do with TTF.
It was the suers who were stopped from setting any legal precedents when their legal council took $33,000 from MCPS and left the state of Maryland. The suers then settled for 2 seats on a 15 member CAC (reduced from 27 community members) that no longer included Michelle Turner or Rhetta Brown. In fact, the CRC held out for months trying to force Rhetta back onto the CAC, but had to settle for loopy Dr. "I am an infectious disease in Rockville Maryland" Jacobs.
"Judge Williams' TRO had nothing to do with TTF."
in a technical sense but you were all working on the same devious side
maybe I should think of new all-encompassing term for anti-family forces
from now on, I'll just refer to TTF and MCPS and the national groups that consulted you as the Axis Powers
true, Michelle couldn't be on the Board because the entire Fishback committee was thrown out but CRC had terrific representation by Dr Jacobs and Peter Spriggs, a local resident who runs the nationally active Family Research Council
much to the chagrin of the Axis powers, Spriggs was later nominated for an award for service to the community
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Yes, Anon, I am monitoring the blog.
JimK
man, you're always lurking aren't you?
"CRC had terrific representation by Dr Jacobs"
She didn't do a terrific job with her testimony against the DC same-sex marriage bill. The committee that heard her testimony approved the bill today. The DC Council will take it up next month.
"A DC Council Committee voted 4 to 1 this afternoon to send a bill legalizing same-sex marriage to the full council for debate.
Council member Phil Mendelson, chairman of the Committee on Public Safety and Judiciary, said the legislation was "both simple and monumental."
With the committee vote, the full council will take up the bill in early December. It is expected to easily pass.
"We will get this to the mayor and Congress and it will become law," said Council member Jack Evans (D-Ward 2).
Council member Yvette Alexander (D-ward 7) was the only member to vote against the bill in committee."
those guys will have their resumes updated by the voters of D.C.
those guys will have their resumes updated by the voters of D.C.
Another prediction Anon? Like John McCain was going to beat Barack Obama
And Mike Huckabee was going to be the GOP nominee for President
And the CRG petition drive was going to stop 23-07
And MCPS was going to keep the same old sex education curriculum in place
And the suers were going to RECALLMONTGOMERYSCHOOLBOARD
< eye roll >
no, like when I said last Spring that the Repubs will take the governors' races in VA and NJ
btw, Huckabee currently leads polls for the Repub npmination for 2012 but I wouldn't count out Palin
whoever the Repubs put in will win by a landslide after three more years of what's going on now:
"WASHINGTON (Nov. 11) - President Barack Obama still has the public approval of a majority of Americans, but he finds himself governing an increasingly pessimistic country.
This comes at a time when he is trying to revive a struggling economy, weighing more troops for the 8-year-old Afghanistan war, muscling a health care reform overhaul through Congress and hoping to push through other ambitious measures like legislation focused on climate change.
The latest Associated Press-GfK poll shows that Americans grew more dispirited on a range of matters over the past month, continuing the slippage that has occurred since Obama took office.
People were more pessimistic about the direction of the country than in October. They disapproved of Obama's handling of the economy a bit more than before. And, perhaps most striking for the commander in chief, more people have lost confidence in Obama on Iraq and Afghanistan over the last month. Overall, there's a malaise about the state of the nation."
hmmmm...malaise....where have I heard that before?
there's little doubt now that we have a Jimmy Carter in the White House not a Bill Clinton
here's another prediction:
when the health bill is finally passed next Spring, Obama will veto it
it's a crazy world, isn't it?
I said last Spring that the Repubs will take the governors' races in VA and NJ
Oh so you want Vigilance readers to ignore the 5 incorrect predictions listed above along with your incorrect prediction that Hoffman would win NY's 23rd, but count the two predictions you got right.
Sorry Charlie. That's not accountability.
"Oh so you want Vigilance readers to ignore the 5 incorrect predictions"
yes, I do
pro-family forces are ascendant
it's just a matter of time
remember, the long arc of history bends toward justice
"Here are the approval-disapproval scores on Obama's handling of specific issues:
The economy: 49 percent disapprove, 46 percent approve with 5 percent expressing no opinion.
Unemployment: 47 percent disapprove, 44 percent approve and 9 percent have no opinion.
Federal budget deficit: 51 percent disapprove, 40 percent approve and 9 percent have no opinion.
Taxes: 46 percent disapprove, 42 percent approve and 12 percent have no opinion.
Afghanistan: 48 percent disapprove, 42 percent approve with 10 percent expressing no opinion."
in the immortal words of Karen Carpenter:
"we've only just begun"
"the immortal words of Karen Carpenter" were written by Paul Williams and Roger Nichols.
Karen Carpenter did for anorexia nervosa and bulimia what Rock Hudson did for HIV/AIDS.
I don't care what problems she had
her voice echoes through time
it always gets me down
in a good way
I'm gonna go have another twinkie
OMG! "pro-family forces are ascendant"
Head for the hills!!
You mean an even worse divorce rate is going to be thrust on us?
You mean millions of families ripped apart - children here, children there - because of the highly vaunted "family values" trope?
Hundreds of thousands of unwanted children to become wards of the state because of the immorality of heterosexual "family values" idiots?
C-mon...get real.
And you try to pass yourself off as a good example of "pro-family" values?
Wow!
"And you try to pass yourself off as a good example of "pro-family" values?"
this is one of those questions that is really a type of lie
I never did any such thing
"You mean an even worse divorce rate is going to be thrust on us?"
could you elaborate on how a divorce rate was thrust on you?
seem almost impossible but, then, this is TTFland
"You mean millions of families ripped apart - children here, children there - because of the highly vaunted "family values" trope?"
oh, you must explain
how did the highly vaunted trope rip apart millions of families?
"Hundreds of thousands of unwanted children to become wards of the state because of the immorality of heterosexual "family values" idiots?"
say, you're not talking about kids that liberal lunatics would like to kill before birth, are you?
No...didn't mention killing at all.
But would you please include the hundreds of thousands we have put to death by "humane" injections, gassing, electrocution, hanging, shooting in your lament?
And why not include the millions of innocent victims who have lost their lives from an immoral war?
Because...in your warped vision of the value of life...these people have "forfeited" their right to life?
Typical hypocracy, once again given voice by your sanctimoniousness.
"No...didn't mention killing at all."
Sorry, my mistake.
Who did you mean when you said: "Hundreds of thousands of unwanted children to become wards of the state because of the immorality of heterosexual "family values" idiots?"?
"But would you please include the hundreds of thousands we have put to death by "humane" injections, gassing, electrocution, hanging, shooting in your lament?"
Does this mean people who have been found guilty of capital crimes? I generally don't have a problem when someone who has murdered reaps what they've sown although, pragmatically, I don't favor capital punishment because the judicial system is not perfect and the death penalty is irreversible.
"And why not include the millions of innocent victims who have lost their lives from an immoral war?"
What war would that be and who are the innocent millions?
"Because...in your warped vision of the value of life...these people have "forfeited" their right to life?
Typical hypocracy, once again given voice by your sanctimoniousness."
Give us a few more details and we can talk but if you oppose the death penalty for serial killers and favor it for inconvenient unborn children, you're the hypocrite.
First of all, you err in putting words in my mouth that I "oppose the death penalty for serial killers and favor it for inconvenient unborn children." (Are you the same "Anonymous" who earlier, and breath-takingly said this: "you're the sniveling amoral liberal who supports the right to kill unwanted children" and "say, you're not talking about kids that liberal lunatics would like to kill before birth, are you?"?)
Where, exactly, did I day that?
My point was to illustrate the hypocracy of your views; falling back on insults and non-sequitors does not respond to the specific questions I asked:
What would you do about the embarrassing divorce rate in this country?
What do you propose to do about the hundreds of thousands of unwanted children who are institutionalized in state-run care facilities? (and an added question: how would you solve the problem of incest within families?)
How can you align your belief in the value of life (unborn fetusus) with the intentional killing of innocent citizens in wars or the taking of life of prisoners (which even you admitted can be done in error)? Do you believe that these people have forfeited their right to life?
These are all "right to life" and the concomittant quality of life questions that need your answers.
Either you are consistent in your belief of the value of life - across the board - or you are a hypocrite in espousing "Right to Life" on a conditional basis.
"My point was to illustrate the hypocracy of your views; falling back on insults and non-sequitors does not respond to the specific questions I asked:"
OK, well then, here goes:
"What would you do about the embarrassing divorce rate in this country?"
Why would I be responsible for doing anything about that?
I have no plans to address the problem. Did you think I was the President or the Pope or something?
"What do you propose to do about the hundreds of thousands of unwanted children who are institutionalized in state-run care facilities?"
Again, you need to be more specific. I tried to surmise who you were talking about and you took umbrage so why don't you provide more detail.
"How can you align your belief in the value of life (unborn fetusus) with the intentional killing of innocent citizens in wars or the taking of life of prisoners (which even you admitted can be done in error)?"
I don't have to align anything. I think both of these things are wrong.
Why do you think I support the intentional killing of innocent citizens in wars?
One thing I should clear up is that I oppose taking innocent life but those who take innocent life forfeit their right to life in my view. Equating murderers with innocent children is pretty egregious.
Of course, I think I stated that was in theory. As a practical matter, I think routine capital punishment leads to the taking of innocent life which I believe is so abhorrent that we should avoid it at all reasonable cost.
As a side, being a Christian, I also believe every human has the capacity for salvation, including those guilty of some very evil deeds, so I would also prefer life in prison be the ultimate punishment so that the maximum number become saved but I wouldn't expect non-Christians to oppose capital punishment on those grounds.
"Either you are consistent in your belief of the value of life - across the board - or you are a hypocrite in espousing "Right to Life" on a conditional basis."
Well, I think I set some conditions above and I don't think there is anything hypocritical about it
Fetal life is innocent and deserves our protection.
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